Subject: Alternative Powerplant
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 11/9/2008, 11:48 AM
To: AAA Put this in the To box




   Has anyone heard of an experimental aircraft using a japanese
        4-cylinder motorcycle engine? The advantages seem obvious when
        compared to other non-rotary auto conversion choices. Modern 1000cc
        engines make 180hp, are liquid-cooled, lightweight, and
   inexpensive.
        If such an engine was de-tuned to 100-120hp by lowering the redline
        (say from 13k to 9-10k), it might give close to a 1:1 power:weight
        ratio with high reliability.

        I can't be the first person to think of this. If it hasn't been
   done
        before, why?

        -Chris Wood

        Probably a cooling issue. Motor cycle engines, like car
   engines, are
        light duty. Several people have tried air cooled BMW engines
   for the
        past twenty
        years but they never caught on.

        http://www.kawasaki.com/Products/product-specifications.aspx?id=345
        Engine Type Four-stroke, liquid-cooled, DOHC, four valve per
   cylinder,
        inline-four with VVT
        Displacement 1,352 cc

        Maximum Torque 100.3 LbFt @ 6,200 rpm
        Compression Ratio 10.7:1

        Curb Weight 670.3 lbs. 679.1 lbs. (ABS model)

        ------------------------------------------------------

        No mention is made of the red line or the HP surprisingly.
        At 670 pounds for the whole bike the engine block could easily
        weigh 200 pounds or more.

        100 ft pounds of torque at 6200 RPM is 119 HP. About the same power
        to weight
        ratio as a Continental O-200 direct drive aircraft engine. Of
   course
        you will
        still need a 20 to 30 pound gear box. Motor cycles are designed for
        side ways
        mounting... chain drive so it is no easy matter to design a
   gear box
        that will
        take the power out inline or turn the drive 90 degrees for a
   propeller.

        That is also half the displacement of a Mazda 13B rotary engine
   with
        about the
        same block weight but the rotary will easily put out 200 HP in side
        port form
        and 250 HP in p-port form.

        These engines in new shape are also not cheap.

        Paul Lamar

        I've heard of one.  They are running a Yamaha R-series liquid
   cooled
        engine rated at 150 hp.  It uses a reduction gear and a drive shaft
        to a ducted fan.  So far, I've only seen graphics on the test rig.
        This is a multi-year development program by a University, so things
        tend to progress in short spurts.  Haven't heard any feed back.
        This engine is also used in the Yamaha 4-stroke PWC's.  From one
        graphic it's clear they are giving a lot of thought to the cooling
        system with a separate plenum pumped by the discharge from the fan.
        This program has been funded by the Light Aircraft Industry
        organization of the country via the government.  You suspect in
        small yearly grants.  The monitors for the program are pretty well
        known engineering types.

        George W

   Well George as you well know a ducted fan and drive shaft is not the
   greatest
   for a 200 MPH airplane :) Perhaps they have been taken in by Mark Moore.

   http://www.rotaryeng.net/PAV.html

   What country and what University?

Paul Lamar

At the Air force museum in Dayton Ohio, each year there is a WW-I fly-in
where planes are allowed to use the front lawn of the museum as an
airport. Several real WWII planes fly as well as a large number of 7/8
scale and full sized replicas. Many use V-2 Motorcycle engines stuck in
2nd gear with a toothed belt prop drive. The unused gears are removed
from the transmission. With additional cylinders molded in glass fiber,
the look is convincing. The planes are from plans and kits.
The replicas can hover in a slight breeze. The whole show includes
encampments of Allied and German soldiers, in authentic uniforms and
tents. A swap meet of WW-I aircraft parts. And if that is not enough,
the museum if one of the best on earth.

Lynn E. Hanover




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