It seemed their was a clearance issue when installing the Renesis rotors
 in a 13B engine.  Do you recall what it was?  I think the gears, and
 bearing may be different as well.

 Doug in Japan

 News to me.

 Paul Lamar



 Paul,

 I'm planning on using Renesis 10:1 rotors in my p-port 20B.  As I
 understand
 it, I will need to cut the apex grooves deeper to accept the 13b/20b apex
 seals, and use only one of the oil scraper rings.  And of course, have the
 assembly rebalanced.

 Mark S.
 Austin

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 Why not run stock low height RX8 apex seals? They have less weight than
13B
 seals so they will follow variations better. Also the RX8 corner seals
 have a very low friction Diamond Like Carbon coating. DLC should be
 applied to all the seals but I think Mazda choose only the corner
 seals to keep the cost down. Seal friction has a significant affect
 on engine efficiency. Particularly at the higher RPM ranges we run.

 Paul Lamar


 Paul,

I was under the impression that there was a risk of the thinner apex seals
catching when passing over the p-ports.  If this isn't the case, then I
agree, go with the Renesis seals.

Mark S.

No the 2 mm seals have been used for year with peripheral exhaust ports
with no problems. The peripheral exhaust port is far harder on the
apex seal than a peripheral intake port. A little slot opens up and you
have high pressure, very high temperature gases shooting out of
there at supersonic velocities. That is the main reason you need apex
seal oil. The apex seal oil cools the apex seal.

By contrast there is no pressure difference across the apex seal
as it passes over peripheral intake port and the apex seal is cooled
by the incoming mixture.


There is another subtle  advantage to our intake p-ports in that they are
oval
so the apex seal is introduced to the opening gradually compared to
what happens in the rectangular exhaust port.

Paul Lamar


Paul,

My concern is that the Renesis apex seal is thinner by about .100".  The
question is would the thinner seal allow the apex seal to bow as it passes
over the exhaust port and possibly get caught on the closing lip.
Obviously, this isn't an issue on the Renesis side exhaust ports.  Maybe it
is only an issue at 10,000 rpm.

Mark S.

Yes but the 13B is a 3 piece seal. The RX8 seal is higher than
the top piece 13b 3 piece seal that has been going over the
p exhaust port for 12 years with as much as 280 HP in the late
3rd gen turbo engines. The 13B 3 pc seal is also not as stiff
as a rectangle as the bottom side is actually triangle.

Not at 7500 RPM. See my last message.

Paul Lamar