Subject: Adapter/beam/plate
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 9/17/2009, 11:51 AM
To: AAA Put this in the To box



Paul

got the files  and have the material here...I have enough to
 make at
least 8 plates.I will  make 1 for inspection, then if you want
more......
the pressure caps  can be done as well.. get the geom and advise
 on
material....
jeff
OK do we have any other buyers? Speak up  now.
Paul Lamar

Paul
can you publish the list of those that spoke up so we can
 verify you
have us down... Count me in.
Mike C.
I don't have a list.
People should contact Jeff directly.
jeff doddridge <4starr@cox.net
Paul Lamar

Paul, I was reflecting on the beam plate design, in it's present
configuration. I notice that the Barry cups are in essence butt
welded to the ends of the beam. Given that the welding process
destroys the heat-treat properties of the aluminum in the heat
afected zone, is this method of attachment strong enough to hold
the engine and absorb all of the forces incurred? I'm not an
engineer, but I do understand the welding process, so please
don't take offense. I'm just posing a question.
C. Smith
Absolutely.
If you take a 6.5 G hard landing drop in and assume the engine
weighs 300
pounds the shear force on the welds is 2000 pounds.
Lets assume for the moment all force is applied to only
one cup. The one closest to the engine.
If the total weld area taking both sides of the cup is .25 inch by
3 inch long
that is an area of .75 inch. .125" per side.  Therefor the stress
is 2000 / .75
or 2,666 psi. The  tig weld tensile strength is given in this
referencea about 25,000 psi so we have a factor of safety of 10.

http://www.aps.anl.gov/Science/Publications/lsnotes/ls254/ls254.html
Paul Lamar
 Which is a HUGE under estimate. We are allowed to use 75Ksi in all
 our welds here at my day job. [in 44w plate] W/ 7018 [or equal]
 welding materials.
 [We're talking MIG or Stick however.. I'm not sure about tig]
 Fwiw
 Jarrett
Would/could you please do an FEA with 700 ft pounds of torque combined  with 1800 pounds of down force :)
 Like Bob White crash. Full power full stall drop in crash landing.
 Paul Lamar

K, 700 torque thru the bolt circle /mount holes. 1800lb's vertical force, do we have any
coupled force from the weight of the engine and mounts deflecting?
Exact material? Are we talking a 3/8" weld fillet either side?
Btw, I've now realized that your talking Aluminum, my weld strength
numbers [sited] are for 44w [steel].. just for the record :)
Jarrett
3/8th sounds about right.
I assume 6061 T6 at least I hope so.
Paul Lamar

Forgot to ask, what is the 'book value' on the c-c distance
between the barry cups?

Thanks

Jarrett


21.750" center to center on the cups.

The torque direction is the same as a standard prop
Looking at it from the front it is counter clockwise.

Paul lamar
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