One of the other things I need is a
wide band mixture
 monitor. Rather than have just a digital read out I would
like to
 record the data on a Hytek Automation 12 bit  8
channel data acq USB
 module which I have.

 I intend to try out several different EFI systems and
 eventually turbo compounding. This information is
essential
 for tuning the EFI systems.

 I ran across this Australian company on the net.
 Anybody have an experience with this company?
 http://www.techedge.com.au/vehicle/wbo2/
 http://www.techedge.com.au/vehicle/wbo2/wbntk.htm

 What I like about this system is it's compatible with a
 data acquisition
 system.

 Here is the wide band problem in a nut shell. The Bosch
 wide band sensor puts a current out  ranging from a
 minus to a plus and I need a linear voltage out put in
the
 range of zero to 5 volts. This company sells the box that
 does the conversion and a digital display.  It is
 generated by a 12 bit Digital to Analog Converter using a
65
 word lookup table (with linear interpolation for improved
 resolution).

 Don't confuse this with some of the narrow band O2 sensor
 systems.

 Paul Lamar


 Robert LeClercq sent me a wide band mixture monitor for
the dyno.
 This is a complete computer with a lot of I/O.
 Thanks Robert. Looks well made.

 Paul Lamar



 Hi Paul

 Silicon Chip - see http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_111598/article.html

 has just published a wideband controller for the Bosch
sensor.
 I'll be building one up shortly. It has  what your
looking for I think, a
 0-5v output (Wideband) as well as a simulated narrow band
S curve output to
 feed into an existing ECU input.

 Cheers

 Steve Izett
 Perth WA


Hi Paul:

Caution about the Hytek Automation DAQ:

I was curious about the Hytek Automation DAQ so I looked at
their web sight.
The first thing that I noticed was the terrible amount on
noise present on
relatively high level signals as displayed on their example
readout. Very
bad signal to noise right at the output to start off with.

I then checked out the Lab Jack U3 which uses a newer level
of hardware
technology for only a few dollars more. I would definitely
choose the Lab
Jack U3 over the Hytek product.

Comments:

The U3 has much more software support (both low level and
high level) which
will save a lot of time in the final solution. It also is
supported by an
ongoing user group..very important when you need extra
help.

On only a brief look as I have not inspected either
product. I have a few
comments about hardware. Most if not all of these
inexpensive DAQ products
seem to be designed around an off the shelf chip or chip
set. Thus, they
would appear to have similar performance. Also by and
large, the advertised
system performance is that of the chip set NOT THE PRODUCT
YOU ACTUALLY GET.
The devil in in the implementation details.

Most analog to digital converter systems available are
designed by smart
digital engineers, who none the less, have insufficient
understanding of
signal to noise ratio or how to get it. They just follow
the terse cook book
applications informations from the chip set vendor. In most
such
implementations I have examined these engineers usually get
at least four
bits less resolution and accuracy than the chip set is
capable of achieving.
Thus an advertised 12 bit system (4096 :1 resolution)
usually turns out to
be around 8 bits ( 256:1). I will not bore you with the
technical details,
but the problem gets down to isolating the sensitive low
level analog input
signals from the much higher level (noise producing)
digital output
interface. Most of this problem gets down to understanding
the real issues.
The solution for the most part gets down to the appropriate
design of the
copper printed circuit board with respect to component
placement and trace
layout...being careful to properly isolate the analog
signals from the
digital signals which must connect together at some point
in the layout
without inducing digital hash into the sensitive analog
circuits.

The photos advertised on the Hytek Automation web sight
don't look like they
even achieved 8 bits of signal to noise ratio. My guess is
that among other
mistakes they probably used only two layers of copper
circuit board to save
some cost. If a four layer copper circuit board were used
containing
appropriate solid copper ground plains, the engineer might
luck out and get
most of the 12 bits of resolution (16+ bits is an other
level of
complexity).

I saw a photo of the Lab Jack U3. It appears to be a four
layer printed
circuit board. I am sure if I evaluated it, I would find
some criticism of
it, but for around $100 you still get a lot of real world
?Hytek?
performance bang.

Best regards

James Freeman


We did not notice that problem. However we deal mostly with
zero to five volts.
The manifold pressure data shown is 1000 samples per
second. It varies several psi.

Paul Lamar

Paul, will the oxygen sensor only be used for system developement, and not present in the final ECU?
What are the implications of burning 100LL in the rotary, as there are many airports where auto-gas is unavailable.
Thanks, C. Smith

Correct. 100LL (lots of lead) is death to O2 sensors. Some people use the narrow band versions which are much cheaper and claim they will recover somewhat with several tanks of no lead auto fule.

Paul Lamar