Subject: Cooling my 20B
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 12/20/2009, 5:40 PM
To: AAA Put this in the To box


Paul,

Good news!  After spending many, many months (years) trying to get my oil
temps down, I finally discovered that the problem was a defective oil
cooler.  It appears that the only oil cooling was from the oil/water
exchanger.  While temps were too high for comfort, especially during
summer,
it did cool the oil well enough to keep me flying throughout the Texas
summer.  After just recently discovering the defective cooler, I replaced
it
with a Modine of similar size & style and flew it for the first time
today.
WOW!  What a difference, possibly enough to remove the oil/water exchanger
altogether (more testing is requried).  Addimitedly, the OAT was in the
mid
40's, the return oil temp was down in the 150*F range, when it had been
around 210 - 240*F.  On today's flight, in cruise configuration, the
coolant
was 165-170 with cowl flap closed.

Also, it appears that Lynn Hannover is correct (big surprise) about the
best
horsepower being produced at around 160*F oil temp.  I saw an extra 11
knots
IAS today over my typical cruise speeds.  I'm sure it wasn't just my
imagination as the fuel flow was also higher.  (Gotta take the bad with
the
good.)

So, if you want to go fast(er), work on reducing those oil temps.

Mark S.

That has happened before. Was it a 2nd gen Mazda cooler?
What was wrong with the old cooler? Was the oil thermostat still in there?

Paul Lamar

Paul,

It was a Fluidyne oil cooler.  It is the one in the pictures you have of
 my
a/c.  This is a dual-pass cooler, so the inlet/outlet are on the same end.
The inlet/outlet tank is partitioned into two halves by a divider. For
 some
unknown reason, most likely due to over-pressurization, the tanks (both
ends) swelled.  This allowed the divider to pull away from the core (the
divider is only welded to the tank, not to the core) and the oil could
 then
pass under the divider, bypassing the core entirely.(owner of
Fluidyne) told me that these coolers are designed for up to 300 psi
 working
pressure, and they pressure test them to 400 psi.  Since I have no way to
pressurize to 400+ psi, I don't know how this could have happened.

Mark S.


OK we have seen that before as well.  Perry Mick experienced that. I had
 no
idea you were having so much trouble.  Obviously Gary lied.

A lot of oil coolers are not up to the oil pressure seen in a rotary
engine. Here is a couple of shots of an early Griffin design. They have
since changed the design to beef up the oil tubes. Some other brands have
failed and caused in flight fires.

When the oil is cool I have seen 140 psi in the oil system.

When buying an oil cooler make sure it will endure at least 300 psi. Good
ones are rated at 300 psi. It is also a good idea to put two oil temp
sensors in. One ahead of the cooler and one after the cooler for purposes
 of
trouble shooting.

Paul Lamar

 Paul,

 I have a special fitting that I can move around to different locations
when
 monitoring temps and pressures.  I currently have it located before the
oil
 cooler.  I have the primary oil temp sensor on the filter adapter block
 (after the oil cooler).  I measured a delta T of 25*F across the oil
cooler
 yesterday (OAT 44*F).

 Mark S.

 That is a cool idea. The 25F temp. difference is impressive. Do you recall
 what it was before? Here is a way of figuring out if your two pass heat
 exchanger is working as it should. Check the temperature on both side of
the
 partition using an optical temperature sensor such as this Fluke. Also
 listen to it with a stethoscope.

 BTW while we are on the subject a good oil cooler has fins inside the
tubes
 such as this picture. Not all oil coolers have these. I am not sure but I
 think the 2nd gen RX7 had Modine oil coolers as stock. When you cut one
 apart it looks like this. They work well for a 2 rotor aircraft
application
 if they are ducted properly. They have a built in oil temperature
thermostat
 which most people disable.

 Paul Lamar



Paul,

As I recall, the delta-t was 0*F.  Not sure why it didn't register within
the grey matter that there was a problem, except that the location as
described was a recent change.  Normally, I had both sensors on the same
location on the filter adapter block.  One is for the EM-2 and the other is
for the EFIS.

Yes, the Fluidyne as well as the Modine cooler I just installed both have
the internal fins.  While they are both similar in design, I like the
Modine
tank design better.  It is rounded with stiffener ribs.

Mark S.


Mark,

What Modine model number are you using for your 20B side port?

I have two long narrow oil coolers (2"Thick x 5"W x 20L cores) each of
which was normally found with a turbo charged 20B.  I hear they are
getting rare.  I would rather use one under the engine and duct straight
out the bottom.


Doug in Japan

Doug,

Sorry, I don't know the model number of the Modine cooler.  Core dimensions
are roughly (from memory) 10" x 10" x 3".

Mark S.


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