Paul, I have had some time to get back to my CAD education with Alibre.
    I'm working out the cowl profiles, and was wondering if you had some
    simplified models of
    the 13b in combination with the RD-1c and Doddridge plate. I was hoping
to
    kinda stick
    them in to make sure everything clears. I'm using the extended mount
    dimensions for the
    lightweight version of the 13b on the Zenith CH-640.
    C. Smith

    Try some of these.

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    Here is what the jpgs renderings look like from that igs file I just
    sent.

    I have a model of your engine and motor mount.
    Send me a sketch of what you want the cowl to look like
    and I will send some renderings and igs if you wish.

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    Here is the Rhino model I have.

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    More views.

    Looks like the best place for the rad
    is underneath  with your extended MM.

    PauL Lamar



    C. Smith,  I am attaching a rhino file of the Mazda 13B which I got from
    the
    newsletter. It is dimensionally accurate and I have used it on three
    fusaloge designs since I got it.  You can erase any or all of the motor
    mount tubes or rotate and extend them to your hard point locations.
   Besides
    being dimensionally accurate it does not add significantly to the
drawing
    file size. I saved the dimensions of Jeff's motor mount plate when it
was
    being reviewed on the newsletter but have not done a solid model of it.
   The
    attached file has a Schertz beam mount but can be swapped for Jeff's
plate
    since the attached file is an assembly drawing of the individual parts
and
    can be edited.

    george grimes

    Too big to publish George. Alibre probably won't load
    3dm files anyway. Export it as igs and zip it to reduce
    the size and send that.

    Paul Lamar


   Paul, no problem saving to Iges in Rhino 4 but I don't know how to make a
   zip file. Is that some sotr of a right mouse click thing in windows
   vista.   If so how do I do
   it.
   GG

   In Windows XP you click on it with the right
   mouse button and choose send to compressed (zip file)

   Paul Lamar

   Paul,  I got the 3d of the engine converted, used the default style. It
is
   one of 60 igs/iges formats available. I got to  the compress to zip and
   e-mail page. It wanted a control panel mail icon configuration, that
didn't
   recognise the web address, the new contact menu wants 12 items, none of
   which anyone would have. I got this file off the newsletter so could you
   possibly post it again. It was posted about april this year. If not C.
   Smith
   can send me an e-mail address to my yahoo mail at
   george-grimes7@yahoo.com
   and I can send the igs file to him as well as a JPEG of Jeff's Psru plate
   with the dimensions to draw it.

   george grimes

   So you did not find zip in your OS?
   Are you using XP or something else. This MS changing their OS
   is driving me crazy. They took so much stuff out just to make more money
   selling it to you later.

   I sent that one already in zip form.
   Here it is again along with the jpgs of it.

   Some people won't get it as some ISP's consider it a virus carrier.

   Paul Lamar



   Thanks Paul and George for the files. I'll post results when I'm
satisfied
   with the results. The smallest of defects in drawing elements makes big
   defects in lofts. Still learning.
   George, I'll be e-mailing you directly so you can send files direct.
Thanks
   again.
   C. Smith




   C. Smith,   I have a few loft tricks for fusaloge, cowl,  and intake port
drawings. After generating some cross sections I use the rebuild line
command to 240 up to 360 definition points and G3 continuity. This will
generate a smoother surface and abundant testallation lines.  The first
revalation is to use the  " loose"  configuration in the loft command rather
than normal or tight. This smoothes the surface curves by letting the nurbs
math calculate a more flowing surface.  For  a cowl you need a couple of
cross sections from the area behind the firewall like 6" and 12" back to
establish a cowl tangent to the rest of the airframe. To tighten the curve
radiuses near the spinner and air inlets use additional curves closely
spaced and often one out in front of the spinner. You will trim off all the
extra surface generated after the loft.
            You don't necessairly have or need to generate exact
intermediate sections. You can push or  pull the surface under the engine by
extending the cross section out past the surface or dragging the cross
section out of line. Using a loose loft will not force the surface to go
through this section curve but it will influence how the surface is fared
thru the area.
Use a minimum number of cross sections letting the math do the work.  I
often generate one every six inches then loft using different combinations
and dragging a few off surface to get the best look.
          When you do the intake and cooling air ductwork extend the
sections out past where the surface will end, then trim it with the cowl
surface or use boolian difference.Don't try to include the airscoops and
protrusions in the basic loft. Do these as separate parts and boolian union
them to the cowl, then fillet radius the intersections to trim off the part
of the airscoop that was inside the cowl surface. There will be something to
trim because you need closed curves for all the sections if the scoop inlet
is a closed curve. You can loft non closed surfaces but they all have to be
open (two ends on the line) for every section.
            If you have copied  your section curves a couple times on the
drawing you can leave lofts for comparison while adjusting the curves or
which ones you are  using for lofting. It is generally easier to do the
lofting in the perspective viewport and if curves are too close together
move some to  layers with contrasting colors.
       When drawing the cross sections I like to move all but one line or
arc segment then move them back one at a time using endpoint object snaps
leave a straight line for last move. If it fits you havent changed the
shape. Then erase the last straight segment and draw a replacement line
using endpoint object snaps. this will guarantee a closed curve after you
connect them together with the join command.
       If you are generating a plug that will be fiberglassed offset all the
cross section curves inward  by about .090 for the thickness of the
fiberglass.   On the yahoo address that is an underline character between
the names

george grimes


I have tried to edit the 13b model in alibre using the trim model command,
and it crashes.
C. Smith

I don't have Albre Craig so I can't help.

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Here is a 640 cowl I did in Rhino.

Paul Lamar


That looks Pretty good. Funny the intake looks like the what I was trying to
make in my second version. Any chance you can zip IGS or STP to me? I am
going to get back with Alibre support to figure out all my other mysteries.
C. Smith

Here is the igs zipped on the cowl alone. Mark up the desired details
using ms paint and I will make cosmetic changes if you wish.

Paul Lamar