Paul, I have had some time to get back to my CAD education with Alibre.
   I'm working out the cowl profiles, and was wondering if you had some
   simplified models of
   the 13b in combination with the RD-1c and Doddridge plate. I was hoping
 to
   kinda stick
   them in to make sure everything clears. I'm using the extended mount
   dimensions for the
   lightweight version of the 13b on the Zenith CH-640.
   C. Smith

   Try some of these.

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   Here is what the jpgs renderings look like from that igs file I just
   sent.

   I have a model of your engine and motor mount.
   Send me a sketch of what you want the cowl to look like
   and I will send some renderings and igs if you wish.

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   Here is the Rhino model I have.

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   More views.

   Looks like the best place for the rad
   is underneath  with your extended MM.

   PauL Lamar



   C. Smith,  I am attaching a rhino file of the Mazda 13B which I got from
   the
   newsletter. It is dimensionally accurate and I have used it on three
   fusaloge designs since I got it.  You can erase any or all of the motor
   mount tubes or rotate and extend them to your hard point locations.
  Besides
   being dimensionally accurate it does not add significantly to the
drawing
   file size. I saved the dimensions of Jeff's motor mount plate when it
was
   being reviewed on the newsletter but have not done a solid model of it.
  The
   attached file has a Schertz beam mount but can be swapped for Jeff's
 plate
   since the attached file is an assembly drawing of the individual parts
 and
   can be edited.

   george grimes

   Too big to publish George. Alibre probably won't load
   3dm files anyway. Export it as igs and zip it to reduce
   the size and send that.

   Paul Lamar


  Paul, no problem saving to Iges in Rhino 4 but I don't know how to make a
  zip file. Is that some sotr of a right mouse click thing in windows
  vista.   If so how do I do
  it.
  GG

  In Windows XP you click on it with the right
  mouse button and choose send to compressed (zip file)

  Paul Lamar

  Paul,  I got the 3d of the engine converted, used the default style. It
 is
  one of 60 igs/iges formats available. I got to  the compress to zip and
  e-mail page. It wanted a control panel mail icon configuration, that
 didn't
  recognise the web address, the new contact menu wants 12 items, none of
  which anyone would have. I got this file off the newsletter so could you
  possibly post it again. It was posted about april this year. If not C.
  Smith
  can send me an e-mail address to my yahoo mail at
  george-grimes7@yahoo.com
  and I can send the igs file to him as well as a JPEG of Jeff's Psru plate
  with the dimensions to draw it.

  george grimes

  So you did not find zip in your OS?
  Are you using XP or something else. This MS changing their OS
  is driving me crazy. They took so much stuff out just to make more money
  selling it to you later.

  I sent that one already in zip form.
  Here it is again along with the jpgs of it.

  Some people won't get it as some ISP's consider it a virus carrier.

  Paul Lamar



  Thanks Paul and George for the files. I'll post results when I'm
satisfied
  with the results. The smallest of defects in drawing elements makes big
  defects in lofts. Still learning.
  George, I'll be e-mailing you directly so you can send files direct.
 Thanks
  again.
  C. Smith




  C. Smith,   I have a few loft tricks for fusaloge, cowl,  and intake port
 drawings. After generating some cross sections I use the rebuild line
 command to 240 up to 360 definition points and G3 continuity. This will
 generate a smoother surface and abundant testallation lines.  The first
 revalation is to use the  " loose"  configuration in the loft command
 rather
 than normal or tight. This smoothes the surface curves by letting the
 nurbs math calculate a more flowing surface.  For  a cowl you need a
couple
 of cross sections from the area behind the firewall like 6" and 12" back
to
 establish a cowl tangent to the rest of the airframe. To tighten the curve
 radiuses near the spinner and air inlets use additional curves closely
 spaced and often one out in front of the spinner. You will trim off all
the
 extra surface generated after the loft.
           You don't necessairly have or need to generate exact
intermediate
 sections. You can push or  pull the surface under the engine by extending
 the cross section out past the surface or dragging the cross section out
of
 line. Using a loose loft will not force the surface to go through this
 section curve but it will influence how the surface is fared thru the
area.
 Use a minimum number of cross sections letting the math do the work.  I
 often generate one every six inches then loft using different combinations
 and dragging a few off surface to get the best look.
         When you do the intake and cooling air ductwork extend the
sections
 out past where the surface will end, then trim it with the cowl surface or
 use boolian difference.Don't try to include the airscoops and protrusions
 in
 the basic loft. Do these as separate parts and boolian union them to the
 cowl, then fillet radius the intersections to trim off the part of the
 airscoop that was inside the cowl surface. There will be something to trim
 because you need closed curves for all the sections if the scoop inlet is
a
 closed curve. You can loft non closed surfaces but they all have to be
open
 (two ends on the line) for every section.
           If you have copied  your section curves a couple times on the
 drawing you can leave lofts for comparison while adjusting the curves or
 which ones you are  using for lofting. It is generally easier to do the
 lofting in the perspective viewport and if curves are too close together
 move some to  layers with contrasting colors.
      When drawing the cross sections I like to move all but one line or
arc
 segment then move them back one at a time using endpoint object snaps
leave
 a straight line for last move. If it fits you havent changed the shape.
 Then
 erase the last straight segment and draw a replacement line using endpoint
 object snaps. this will guarantee a closed curve after you connect them
 together with the join command.
      If you are generating a plug that will be fiberglassed offset all the
 cross section curves inward  by about .090 for the thickness of the
 fiberglass.   On the yahoo address that is an underline character between
 the names

 george grimes


 I have tried to edit the 13b model in alibre using the trim model command,
 and it crashes.
 C. Smith

 I don't have Albre Craig so I can't help.

 Paul Lamar


 C. Smith I also have not uses alibre but possibly methods I use in autocad
and rhino are similar. The ability to open a drawing at all is the major
hurdle. If you opened it in a blank drawing you might use "import drawing"
to get it open. If you  are adding it to a drawing you are working you might
be using an "insert" command or some similar name. Often the object is
imported as a block and  when you try to select you get the entire drawing
highlighted when you click on it, and usually a window surrounding the
opject isn't recognised.  In this case look for an "explode" command which
returns the geometry to individual lines or solids. Once you can select a
piece of the drawing use commands like "delete"  or "erase" to remove
something. If in doubt open it in a separate empty drawing, explode it and
use "save as" with your programs file type selected. Add a character to the
file name to distinguish it from the original and close the drawing. Then
when you open it it should behave like your program drew it. Often text and
dimensions do not convert to the new file type and I don't know of a work
around for that. Once you can edit and dimension the imported drawing you
first want to measure something you know the dimension of  like a rotor
housing should be 3.1*** inches wide. You would then use a  "scale 3D"
command to get it to actual size.
          If you draw a cowl by the note above you will use a command such
as "slice"  or "slice by cutting plane" to separate the part representing
the continuation down the fusalogue and then erase or delete it. Most
programs ask which part you want to keep as part of the command input.
      The critical step is to get it saved as your programs file type so
that you can edit it.               george grimes

Thanks George for the tips.
I can import the files, and they render up just fine. I have a support
contract, so I'll get some help solving the other issues. I know it must be
me doing something wrong. Were you going to send me some zipped files to
work with? I have tried e-mailing you direct, but no reply.

C. Smith