Subject: Fuel Pump - Was: Mark Suspinski crash and fire.
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 9/15/2010, 9:45 AM
To: AAA Put this in the To box



   How does the engine look?
   Do you have any guesses on why did it caught fire?

   Paul


   No question at all about why it caught fire -- those damn plastic ends on
   the MSD fuel pumps snapped off & fuel was being hosed into the cowling
   post
   crash.  The hottest part of the fire was right at the fuel pumps.
   Terry was
   trying to go around when he lost it - thus both pumps were on and
   running at
   impact.

   I really think those MSD fuel pumps should not be used by anyone
   because of
   the plastic elements.  As you'll remember, I dropped one & the plastic
   shattered on that one too.

   Rotor 1 is shot.  The p-port got torn loose and shoved into the rotor
   chamber while the engine was still turning.  I expect to find the apex
   seals
   shattered & the chamber shot.

   I cant get the damn e-shaft nut off so it will b a while before I get
   around
   to tearing it down.

   mrs


   I don't know why we have to crash to find out stuff like this fuel pump.
   I was advocating these things until this happened. I sent a copy of this
   email to MSD.

   http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS/555/15913/10002/-1?parentProductId=937089


   This P-port was one of our early epoxy bonded in versions. That was the
   first and last one done like that. New ones are stainless steel welded
   in.
   It will take a direct axial heavy impact to shove one of those into the
   rotor housing.

   Paul Lamar

   Here's an all metal alternative
   http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HLY-12-927/?rtype=10

   Bob Mears


   I don't think that is high pressure EFI. I think that is
   throttle body injection at 15 psi.
   http://www.holley.com/12-920.asp

   What you are looking for is a true roller vane pump that will lift
   a head of fuel. Important for low wing airplanes.

   Paul Lamar

  The Bosch Cis efi fuel pumps are all steel with threaded bosses for the
  fuel lines. They are well tested millions made. Some even have a check
  valve in the outlet. Roller vane.
     Very high quality. I mentioned this on this web site many years ago.
  No one paid any attention.


  chris smale



 You guys really should be using the pump recommended by the maker of the
 injection system (Tracy Crook) - the Walbro 394 or equavelent.  They are
 inexpensive, all metal, have threaded fittings for any type of adapter,
 have
 a built-in spring loaded check valve, and weigh only a pound.  They have
 worked well for me for 500 hrs.  It turns out that they also made the
 perfect solution for a pump for my smoke system.  So my plane flies with 3
 of them.

 Available via many suppliers, here is an example:
 http://www.inlinefuelpumps.com/

 --
 David Leonard

 Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
 http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
 http://RotaryRoster.net


 I got my pumps from Tracy, and they wer the MSD plastic pumps.

 Bob

 As far as I can tell the old Walbro are gone.
 There are other roller vane pumps on the market.

 Paul Lamar


I just bought one a year ago at the site listed on my post:
http://www.inlinefuelpumps.com/
It is easy to find several other sources on the Internet.  I didn't know
that Tracy had switched, but he seems to have switched back  His website
clearly shows a picture of the Walbro pump for sale:
http://www.rotaryaviation.com/fuel_pumps.htm


-- 
David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net

Some suppliers may still have inventory.
If you go on the Walbro web site one is hard pressed to find
the product if at all. I think the Walbro was of the gerotor
type however I never took one apart. The far cheaper
plastic impeller type works fine if immersed in the fuel
tank which is universal practice these days in cars.
Just don't run out of fuel.
I suspect that one would fail very quickly if not in fuel
as the plastic impeller would melt.

Jeggs does not carry7 Walbro but several companies are selling
the metal roller vane Airtex under their own name which I think is the
source for MSD.

http://www.jegs.com/c/Fuel-Carbs-Intakes_Electric-Fuel-Pumps/10307/10002/-1

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Ops I forgot the jpgs. Here they are.

Paul Lamar

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