Hi Dave Leonard,

 Did you do your own turbo upgrade to the TO4 big shaft wheel, with
 the  TO4E 50-trim compressor? Where did you buy the parts?

 Paul Lamar


 Yes, Paul,

 BNR Supercars did the mods to the stock turbo housing.  Google
 them.  I
 did the stage 4 upgrade, but selected a high pressure (instead of high
 flow) compressor (they can install just about any TO4 compressor you
 want.).
 --
 David Leonard

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 Where did you buy the parts for stage 4 upgrade high pressure
 compressor?
 Do you have the maps for both? I think I have your earlier map.

 Paul Lamar

 I just sent my turbo to BNR and they did all the work and supplied the
 parts... boring out the housing, enlarging the waste-gate, making

 everything fit, balance turbine and compressor...  Cost about 1 AMU.

 I looked up the maps on the internet, easy search.  To be honest, I
 cant
 say for sure which compressor I have right now...  but I think it is
 the
 to4-e 50trim...  Garrett has a page with all the compressor maps.

 --
 David Leonard

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 I spoke to Bryan on the phone. He did not seem to grasp
 the problem we are having. He kept talking engine HP.
 That is the least of our worries :) I got the impression
 he had never installed a tach.

 Paul Lamar

 Dave, do I have a deal for you. We are about to do a tach
 install on Michael's turbo. My next door hangar neighbor Jim Poole
 is an excellent machinist. It takes most of the time
 setting up the compressor housing on the mill.
 If you buy a tach kit we will do yours at the same
 time. All you have to do is unbolt the compressor housing
 and send it to me.

 I am certain if you keep the turbo RPM below 80,000 RPM
 at all altitudes you will not blow up another turbo.

 Paul Lamar

 You are right about Bryan, he does not really get our application.  I
 had to basically make him put in the to4e instead of the v-trim.
 But he
 does a good job once you tell him what you want.  There are other good
 turbo guys out there, but he is the only one I found (besides the guys
 in Auz that John Slade used) that can put a TO4 into the stock
 housing.

 If you want to keep the RPM under 80k at ALL altitudes and power
 settings, you will probably have to go to a different class of turbo
 all
 together, something larger than the TO4 stuff.  Or maybe sequentials.
 80k is a pretty low number  Once you get above a P/R of about 1.6 all
 the map I have seen will be above 80k, let alone the worst-case 2.5
 P/R
 that I expect.

 Unfortunately, like I have said.  To remove the compressor housing, I
 have to remove the whole turbo, exhaust, coolant and oil lines, drain
 the coolant etc...I'm just not interested in the extra work.  Cause
 no matter what the tach says, I'm going to keep doing the same thing I
 am now.  (keeping EGT under 590C, and on the rich side if I am using
 any
 significant amount of boost).

 Sorry.

 --
 David Leonard

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 Maybe I am misunderstanding pressure ratio.

 60 inches of HG sounds like a P/R of 2.

 That means 400 HP I think.

 What am I missing?

 Pressure Ratio defined: Garrett.

 * Pressure Ratio is defined as the Absolute
 outlet pressure divided by the Absolute inlet pressure.
 http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/tech_center/turbo_tech103.html

 Why would you need more than about 1.5 ?

 or 45" Hg.

 My guess is find a compressor that puts out 1.5 P/R
 at less than 80K.

 BTW 590C is 1100 F. Rich as the ocean :)

 Do the tach when BNR sends it back.
 We have about a month.

 I'll take off just the compressor housing today
 on the mock up to see what is needed to be removed.
 I can see your coolant line would be a problem.


 Paul Lamar


But if you want to make 45" at 17k', that is a PR of 3.  You said all
altitudes and all power settings.   normalize to 17k' and the PR is 2.

You are right, I was mistaken about the EGT.  I meant 890C [1634 F].
Peak is about 920C [1688 F], and I usually keep it significantly less.