The other day I went to change my oil and plugs, but one of the
plugs had seized and getting it out really did a number on the
threads in the housing and cam out with several of the deepest
threads caked with aluminum.
I went and got a tap and helicoil kit...
I re-tapped the threads and the new spark plug seems now to fit
fine and snug up OK, but I am a little worried about all the
damage that must have been done. I am now trying to decide
which is the lesser of two evils. Leaving the threads as is if
the spark plug can get torqued to spec, VS. installing the heli
coil and possibly getting aluminum shavings into the combustion
chamber. I would stuff it with grease soaked rags, but there is
always a concern. Up sizing the hole for the heli coil will
make a LOT of shavings.
My though is that if the threads can tolerate the proper torque,
then they should be good to go.
Opinions?
Does anyone know the proper torque on the spark plugs?
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David Leonard
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The engine should survive a few aluminum shavings. They should
melt the first time it fires. No guaranty :)
Use a grease soaked string.
I would pump (with a grease gun) the top dead chamber full of
Vaseline before you started drilling and tapping. Then rotate it
around to the exhaust port and dig the Vaseline with the chips out
from there.
Then flush it with auto TX oil.
Paul Lamar
I'm sending spark plug torquing instructions recently posted by
Lynn Hanover. Hope it is of some help.
Mark
Now tighten the new plug into a scrap housing, or your wife's
Honda to 14 foot pounds and then back out. This to flatten the sealing
washer.
Then wipe on just a hint of Nickel anti-seize on the threads. Nothing
within 1/4" of the tip. Practice torqueing to 10 pounds with
extension sticking through between your middle and ring fingers.
Torque a plug into a scrap housing to 9 pounds, then turn it by
hand to what you think is 10 pounds. Then check the plug with the
wrench set at 11 pounds. The plug should turn a bit to get to 11 pounds.
Get a feel for 10 pounds using your wrist only. 10 pounds with
lube is plenty. After a few installations the anti-seize will have
been spread all the way to the inside end of the plug hole. Great heat
conductivity. Plugs will never lock up in the hole. Threads will
last as long as the housing.
Always use a torque wrench. But if none is available you can do
the ring finger trick and get 10 pounds every time. Only you
tighten plugs, not your ham fisted brother in law.
Lyn Hannover
For a plug torque chart, go to;
www.championsparkpluds.com/charglossary.asp
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http://www.championsparkpluds.com/charglossary.asp
Plugs can also be tightened properly without a torque wrench. For
new plugs or
with a new gasket I think it is 1/8 turn from finger tight. If
reusing the
gasket, 1/16 turn from finger tight. You need to be sure the plug
is contacting the gasket surface of the housing at finger tight. Never
seize on
the threads. If it wants to turn more than prescribed without
snugging up, it
was not on the gasket surface. Taper seat is 1/16 turn from finger
tight.
Dale Davies
First, DO NOT USE A HELICOIL! Sorry to shout but helicoiling spark
plugs has always been a bad thing to do. The helicoil partially
insulates the plug and that can require you to use a colder plug.
The best insert you can use for the plug hole repair is called a "Time
Sert". Made by the Time fastener Company they are the best inserts
you can buy, period. Search Time Sert on the web to find their
site. The plug inserts are steel but they are copper plated to
insure proper heat transfer. Look them up you will be glad you did.
I won't use anything else now. Bill Jepson
Still have your RV10 Kit Bill?
Paul Lamar
Hi Bill,
It's funny that you feel so strongly about Time Sert. I did know of
them from my search, but most people seemed to weakly recommend the
heli-coil. As far as heat transfer, it does not make much sense to
me that a alum-copper-steel-copper-alum interface should
necessarily do any better than alum-steel-alum... no matter though,
because it is easy to start using cooler plugs if needed.
I liked the idea of a coil as a means of taking up any slop and
preventing any breakage. Lastly, Todd Archer told me about some
certified aircraft engine that comes new with helicoils.
That being said, it is not too late for me to switch. I taped out
the hole today and feel confident that I got out all themetal
chips big enough to do any harm. But when inserting the coil it mis-
threaded and had to be removed, which destroyed it. So now I still
have my choice.
At the auto parts store there was an insert that appeared to be black
anodized alloy, or the heli-coil (both labeled as generic inserts)
does that sound like the Time Sert? Do you think the threads are going
to be the same for the two?
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David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
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There is another style thread insert, but I do not recommend it of
spark plugs. The name is Keensert and the OD is bigger than
Helicoil. They use regular taps, a slightly larger drill than would
be standard for that tap and have lock pins you tap down wwhen it
is installed to lock it in so it can not come out. Great for bolts
in Aluminum heads and intake manifolds.
If the outside thread on the timesert has a different thread, I
would try
running the tap for the Helicoil in again to clean it up. The coils
are a bit
tricky to start into the thread. A bit of gentle wiggling usually
does the
trick. Also use the proper installer tool.
Dale Davies
David,
The difference in the Time Sert is that the insert is solid, not coiled.
Yes as a mechanical engineer I can tell you that many threads in soft
metal,(aluminum or magnesium) are factory inserted. Nobody does spark
plug holes for the factory. I will also say this Dave, if you get a
"weak suggestion to use a helicoil" the guy telling you NEVER used a
Time Sert. I worked for Kawasaki in the late 70s. They were looking for
inserts to recommend to their dealers. The Time Sert was selected and
Kawasaki wouldn't use anything else. They used to sell them through
their dealer network. It has been ages though so I don't know if they
still do. These are NOT keenserts which are huge and clunky, and require
a much larger thread. I'll check for you if you can't find them. BTW
all the domestic car manufacturers now use time serts. Bill Jepson
Considering the Timesert uses the same tap as a Helicoil, I would go with it.
Being swaged into the aluminum, would also help heat transfer while locking it
into place.
Dale Davies
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