Subject: Vari-prop improvement
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 6/19/2011, 2:31 AM
To: AAA Put this in the To box


 I had an idea to simplify the Vari- prop.
 Replace the pump with a long control cylinder with
 an attached knob that looks like the pitch control
 knob in a 182.

 Here is the old message.
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 The blade travel force depends on the axis of rotation position relative to
 the blade cord so I don't have a blade drawing to go on. For example if the
 blade rotation axis is on the 1/4 cord point of the blade the force to
 rotate the blade will be a minimum. The force and travel is also a function
 of the distance of the pin from the axis.

 Again I don't have a dwg to determine that.
 The force available from the control cylinder mounted behind the instrument
 panel depends on the diameter of the piston used. My guess is 100 psi is
 needed to change the pitch on most hydraulic props. If the average person
 can push 20 pounds the area of the control piston would have to be .2
 square
 inches. .2 square inches / 3.1416 = the radius squared or .0638 inches.
 The square root of which is 0.252. Therefor the control piston would only
 need to be about .5 inches in diameter. The travel or distance needed has
 been discussed above. The mechanical advantage is five to one so a five
 inch change in the master cylinder or control knob will move the spool one
 inch which should be more than enough to change the pitch throughout the
 entire range.
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 snips....


 This was shot down by the designer Larry Morgan as not having enough force
 to over come the spring.

 Here is an improvement on the idea.
 Since one could sense the blade angle quite easily one could use a small
 hydraulic hand pump to pump up the pitch angle to what one wanted. Then
 when
 fine pitch is needed press a button to release pressure. This would work
 like a
 common hydraulic jack and cut the weight by doing away with the motor
 and the control.

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 A few years ago a few of us teamed up to build an electrically adjustable
 constant speed prop. It was called the LAEV prop. Butch did the final
 hub design and build, Bill Freeman did the blade design, Perry Mick
 built the carbon blades and yours truly did some of the early concepts.

 Butch disappeared for secret reasons along with the prop. If I knew and
 told you I would have to kill you.

 One of the revolutionary ideas was how the blades were retained by ball
 bearings
 in a one piece hub design. The balls were fed in one at a time through a
 access
 holes closed by a threaded plug. This saved pounds of weight. We looked
 into
 getting a patent but nothing came to fruition.

 The one piece hub was welded 4130 steel and the balls were also steel.
 If you make the hub from anodized aluminum light weight Torlon balls are
 used just like the balls used in racing sail boat winches. No steel
 races required

 This design combines the rotating oil pressure ring of the Variprop and
 the Torlon ball trick to cut the cost and weight. A hand pump like a garage
 jack is used to change the pitch.

 It also uses off the shelf Warp Drive or Sensenich hollow carbon fiber
 RV blades. This is done by using split clamps specifically contoured for
 each type
 of blade. A 3 blade version is possible.

 No attempt to cut weight was done yet as this is a concept 3D. Knocked out
 in an over night session using Rhino 3D.

 Paul Lamar


Hey Paul,

This is a really nice design.  How much testing has it survived?

I'm not clear on the operating mechanism.  I would like to know how much
work would be involved to modify the assembly so that the pitch could be
adjusted and locked on the ground using a screw arrangement maybe?

 Mark LaPierre


Just a spring loaded piston with a groove that fits the pitch change pins.
Not drawn so far. If you want to build one let me know and
I will work on it some more.

No testing so far.

Paul Lamar


Here is what the piston looks like. Just a couple of simple slots
that engage the pitch change pins. Shown in high pitch with
the spring fully compressed. When pressure is release the piston
moves back bringing the blades into low pitch.

As far as locking it into a position other than
full fine pitch I can see no simple way of doing that.
Why would you want to do that when you can get a ground
adjustable hub for way less money?

Paul Lamar
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