Paul:

  Reading all your posts on EFI systems and GPS intefacing has kept me
  thinking about what might be the best operating system to use if one
  wanted to create an entire home-brewed glass-panel display.

  I ran the idea past my wife's cousin, who is now retired from a
 position
  as a programmer for some Silicon Valley hardware developer.  He
  suggested a look at TCL (pronouced: Tickle)

  see:

 http://en.labs.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Tcl_Programming/**
Introduction#So_what_is_Tcl.3F<http://en.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tcl_Programming/Introduction#So_what_is_Tcl.3F

  He sparked my interest so I've been hacking around with it for the last
  couple of day.  The weather has been snowy/rainy and we occasionally
  have up to 3 dogs and 8 grandchildren under 8 years of age ramming
  around the house, so hiding in my office is often prudent behavior :)

  I first explored methods using TCL GUI tools to draw the panel
  instrument (which I've done with the vertical gauges on the bottom
 of my
  panel).  I  then decided that displaying images of real instruments was
  a faster/prettier way to do it. I can now simulate the appearance of
  most anything on the screen.

  I now need to figure out how TCL can be used to read an external
  data-source.
  I will probably test it by having it read test-numbers from a simple
  external data file, but according to claims from online sites, I should
  be able to read data from most any data port as well.  That is my next
  project.

  This is one of my most recent panel displays.

  Robin Bergland


  Robin,
  This is very impressive and very nice appearance.

  SUGGESTION: include an attitude indicator, and layout the "clocks"
 in the
  standard T layout.

  Philippe CHENEVIER

  Can TCL be used to program a Honeycomb tablet?
  Tablets have build in gyro's.


  Paul Lamar

  I believe JAVA is the only programming language supported except
  native mode. So basically no. But we can use TCL with Ubuntu or Linux.

  Henry

 Unfortunately the notebooks that support Linux do not have build in GPS
 or gyro's. The GPS is easy to fix as there are several USB GPS's. I have
 it working
 in Ubuntu 10.04 but the gyro is more of a problem.
 There must be  merge bewtween Android Honeycomb and Linux sometime soon.

 "A microelectromechanical system (MEMS) is an embedded system that
 integrates
 electronic and mechanical components at a very small scale.  A basic
 MEMS
 device
 consists of an ASIC and a micro-machined silicon sensor.  The AGD1 2022
 FP6AQ chip
 found in the iPhone 4 is a MEMS gyroscope designed by
 STMicroelectronics."

 Apparently these come in two version. One is designed to be embedded
 into
 the memory
 map of a computer and the O.S. (Android Honeycomb) must be written to
 access it... I think.
 My guess Android Honeycomb does this as does the I-pad.

 The second one is a standalone 3 axis analog output probably used in toy
 helicopters.
 Here is a pdf. The AVRXplain $30 PC board could be used to convert these
 three analog outputs
 to a USB signal.... Perhaps..... If we are lucky. See gyro the data
 sheet
 pdf.

 BTW there could be a market for a stand alone attitude gyro using
 this PC
 board and a gyro
 chip and an OLED display. Piece of cake after you learn AVR asm
 language.
 Cost would be well under $100 while stand alone electro mechanical
 gyro's
 are $1000 to $3000.


 Paul Lamar


 You could be on to something with the small gyro- I cant believe I didnt
 think of it. My model helicopter has a single axis gyro for yaw. My first
 one was a real spinning gyro, the second iteration is a little more
 sophisticated. It uses a fiber optic cable wrapped around a tube oriented
 in the direction of the axis. The chip reads the "red shift" of the light
 frequency to know when the helo is rotating around its rotor.

 There should be no reason this $100 component cant be used (or 3 of them)
 in an A/C to provide real time gyroscopic input to the control or
 monitoring unit. The unit on my toy helo uses a simple 3 prong plug- 7.2
 volt +, 7.2 volt - and a signal out. The signal out increases or
 decreases
 in voltage depending on which way I forgot to add rudder when I am
 flying.

 Kevin Alderman

 Got any references for that fiber optic cable wrapped around a tube?
 I am ignorant of that device.

 The solid state attitude gyro  uses the microcomputer to integrate a rate
 gyro such as a MEMS device. About ten years ago, I as I recall, Goodyear
 had a both at OSH with a demo unit. At first I was impressed. Then I
 picked
 it up and shook it. It lost horizontal reference. The engineer in the
 booth was
 a bit upset that I did that. He claimed one did not see that level of
 turbulence in
 a real aircraft.

 IMHO combining the GPS with the rate gyro info can produce a good
 attitude
 gyro and is not out of the question for an experimenter on here (once one
 learns AVR asm :)) to build using a cheap $30 microcomputer board
 with A to D's.

 Assuming for the moment the throttle is fixed and the
 GPS speed is increasing the aircraft is diving. If the GPS is telling you
 there is a heading change and the readings for the yaw rate gyro and
 roll rate
 gyro are significant you know the roll angle assuming a coordinated turn.
 One can then get data from the ball in a turn and bank in an
 uncoordinated
 turn. If the GPS says there is no speed change and and no turn you are
 obviously
 flying straight and level. Other parameters that could be monitored is
 the manifold
 pressure and RPM to detect a change in power.

 The basic idea  here is take data in from multiple sensors (not just
 the rate
 gyro's) and use logic and reason to determine what the pitch and roll
 angles are.

 The classic mechanical attitude gyro uses only one sensor, namely the
 spinning flywheel.


 Paul Lamar

Paul,
I know very little about the technicality of your project but I read it.
I have an Ipad and I downloaded an application called Spyglass, it's a
gyro that gives you heading and attitude and seems to take accelerations
forces into account. Might be worthwhile to have a look at it.
Raymond Lambert

Yes there is some good software for moving maps for both the Mac and
Android tablets.
Check out WingX on the Mac tablet. WingX combines attitude information
with moving
map for a virtual reality experience  or "Synthetic Vision"

http://www.hiltonsoftware.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=bP9AqNnyxKE<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP9AqNnyxKE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=mIMSFOwXhYA<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIMSFOwXhYA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=CkZIx1659L8<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkZIx1659L8

What most people on this thread should be talking about is engine
monitoring for
the tablets.

This will take an external single chip board like the $30 AVRXplain to
convert the output
from the sensors and send it to the tablet by way of the USB interface.

Paul Lamar



Paul, was it difficult to get Linux running on your [Android Honeycomb tablet] epad?

Kevin Alderman

No I did not try. Henry Nee (as I recall) told me it was not possible.
Linux does not support GPS or gyro's directly anyway. Android and Mac O.S.s do
so that makes sense.

If you wish to do that you will need a USB GPS and USB gyro.

Linux will probably run on an Asus EeePC net book which is cheaper ($259)than
a ($400) 10" tablet anyway. It runs on my Asus EeePC 1000. It also has 3 USB ports
while the best of the 10" tablets only have 2.

To use it in an aircraft you can probably disconnect
the screen from the key board or just get a small external monitor.
Both screens work when running Ubuntu 10.04. My external USB GPS
receiver is working on the netbook.

Of course it is much easier
to program as there are half a dozen different free programming languages available
for Linux Ubuntu 10.04 while the tablet can only be programed in Java
as far as I know.

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Henry tells me the HD in the Asus net book can be replaced with a solid state
version. HD's don't like high altitude as the head "flies" over the disk.
At a given RPM the head might crash due to lower air density.

My Asus EeePC 1000 already has a 40 GB solid state drive and last time I checked
it was $720. 8 hours of battery time. I bought it several years ago and it was nowhere near
that expensive then.  Believe it or not the price is going up on the solid state drive
vewrsion :)

Paul Lamar