Android horizon link Gyroscopes????

http://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/productivity/aircraft-horizon_zcuz.html

    Robin Bergland.

    That would be worth buying a small Android tab just for that.

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    Paul Lamar

    I know many phones and tablets can sense which way is down to
    determine portrait or landscape orientation of the display but that
    is a single axis sensor. How does he get roll AND pitch? i am
   suspicious!

    SD

    I suspect the sensors are 3 axis.

    There is an ap out there where you can look at the night sky and
identify
    star names by merely tilting the tab back and fourth pointing it in
    the direction of interest. It also uses the GPS to locate one on the
    planet.

    Paul Lamar

   It can do all of that stuff with just 3-axis accel, compass, and GPS. To
   get "real" horizon info and not just a toy that works while you're
standing
   on earth, you need a gyro. I believe some phones may have a MEMS
gyro, but
   that software only claims to use the accelerometer, which is a flawed
   method.

   -Chris W

   It sure keeps my toy helicopter flying straight.
   A lot depends on the A to D used. A 16 bit A to D is one part in
   65,000 more or less. In terms of percentage that is .0000153% I think.

   Having said that I don't know what the A to D is but 12 bits are very
   common and cheap. One part in 4096 or .000244%. Modern CPU chips
found in
   desk tops and tabs have enormous computing power.

   Paul Lamar

Your toy helicopter uses a gyro and not an accelerometer, as far as I
know.
At least my toy helicopter does. :)

-Chris Wood

What is the difference?

Paul Lamar

A gyroscope provides a reference from which you can directly measure
angular displacement and rate. Note that you need at least 2 gyros for
full
spatial measurement, that is why airplanes have an artificial horizon
AND a
gyro compass.

An accelerometer measures single axis, linear acceleration. Even with 3
orthogonal accelerometers you still can only measure acceleration.
With an
array of 6 suitably oriented and displaced accelerometers and appropriate
integrators for each you could theoretically calculate angular
displacement
but the drift might be far worse than gyroscopic precession.

Like someone said earlier, if it was easy, your inner ear would be
sufficient for IFR!

As for inertial navigation systems that the airlines and the military
used
before GPS, note that they were based on ring laser GYROS, not just
accelerometers.

SD

IMHO:

An accelerometer coupled with a computer equals an attitude gyro.

This law of physics (see the jpg) for constant acceleration gives a
distance or angle.
If the acceleration varies in a known mathematical curve it can be
integrated
using calculus. If the acceleration varies in a non mathematical way
a $30
computer can accumulate all the little bits of acceleration to
determine a
total distance
or angle. It is called integration in calculus speak.

For that reason cheap computers have replace calculus :)
Mathematicians that teach calculus have been replaced by
teachers teaching programming :)

I think a ring laser gyro is a rate gyro or angular accelerometer and not
an attitude gyro.
Four simple accelerometers (mass between two springs or a mass at the end
of beam) equally
displaced from a central point can replace a ring laser gyro with the
help
of a computer.
Perhaps not as accurate.

Here is a blown up picture of a MEMS. IMHO they are tiny masses on the
ends of tiny
beams. The beams are instrumented to measure bending stress due to
acceleration
of the tiny mass. My guess.

Paul Lamar

Oh, I take no issue with your math, or with the idea that you can setup an
INS to track heading accurately with just [appropriately placed]
accelerometers, I'm just saying that from the description, the app
is almost certainly not doing any of that that. I think the developer
created it as a toy, not a serious aviation instrument. If anyone wants to
prove me wrong, be my guest. ;-)

Also, I doubt anything other than a simple 3-axis linear accelerometer is
widespread on the phones/tablets that it runs on. These phones and tablets
have gyros, which suggests that it's becoming more common but not yet
standard:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4347143/which-android-phones-out-there-do-have-a-gyroscope

The above use, and I'm almost certain that modern R/C helicopters use
these
for yaw control:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibrating_structure_gyroscope

Nobody is doing it with an INS in consumer devices, that I know of. :)

-Chris

I apologize for the parsing! It just seemed like a good idea at the time!

Getting back to using a a tablet as an attitude indicator, the key is
this statement:

    "The Nintendo Game Boy Advance game WarioWare: Twisted!
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarioWare:_Twisted%21 uses a
    piezoelectric gyroscope to detect rotational movement. The Sony
    SIXAXIS <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIXAXIS PS3 controller uses
    a single MEMS gyroscope to measure the sixth axis (yaw). The
    Nintendo Wii MotionPlus
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_MotionPlus accessory uses
    multi-axis MEMS
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microelectromechanical_systems
    gyroscopes provided by InvenSense
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=InvenSense&action=edit&redlink=1
    to augment the motion sensing capabilities of the Wii Remote
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_Remote . ^[14]
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibrating_structure_gyroscope#cite_note-Wii_MoPlus-13
    The iPhone 4 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_4, iPad2
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPad2, iPod Touch
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod_Touch, Nintendo 3DS
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_3DS, Nexus S
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_S and HTC Titan
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Titan also feature gyroscopes. "

from this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibrating_structure_gyroscope

The "aircraft horizon" application might actually work well on these
particular tablets/phones if the application is properly written to use
the gyro capability of these specific units. Units having only
accelerometers simply will not work up to aviation standards and needs.
They might work in some limited circumstances but then, so does your
inner ear!

Beware and be safe!

SD

They are all playing fast and loose with the term "gyroscope".
On this newsletter the word gyroscope will hence fourth be restricted
to a rotating mechanical flywheel.

All of the above devices you mentioned are probably a collection of accelerometers
being read by a computer to simulate a gyroscope electronically.

Way back when real gyroscopes were used in model helicopters for awhile
but were soon replaced with a collection of accelerometers and single chip
computers.

Paul Lamar

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