On a different topic, could you please send me a schematic of how to
wire the Hytek to the three pressure sensors?

Mark S.



OK what you need is a five volt supply.

There is a 3 pin chip called a voltage regulator. You put in any DC
voltage up to about 15 volts and it puts out 5 volts DC. You need a
diode in case you wire it wrong and a couple of caps to filter out
any noise. Enclosed is a schematic.

Then wire the pressure sensors as shown to the Hytek data acq.
You can use up to 8 pressure sensors numbered A0 to A7.

There are three active pins. One is 5 volts another is ground
and the
third is the analog output signal zero to 5 volts proportional to
absolute press. Zero volts is zero inches of mercury and 5 volts
is 29 inches of Hg or 15 psi.

If you want to see what Tracy's sensors are telling the computer
you can
open up the EC2 and connect Tracy's sensors directly to the data acq
using Tracy's 5 volts.

Paul Lamar

Here is some more stuff. If you want timing signals in your capture
file you need to use the HyTek Dx input signals. Those are events
like ignition coil triggers and injectors switched on.
It is probably a good idea to use opto isolators for that kind
of stuff.
An opto isolator is merely a LED and a photo Tx.
It is mandatory to use them with injector driver and CAS as they
switch as much as 12 volts which will damage the HyTek.

"A simple reason? You could use an opto isolator if you were
uncertain about what you are doing. If you weren't sure that
circuits you wanted to connect to an input were "safe" for your
relatively expensive microprocessor, you could connect the
microprocessor to the opto isolator as above, and use your circuit
to turn the LED on and off. If you did that, then many mistakes you
could make would only ruin the quite cheap opto isolator. The Bad
Stuff won't jump across the gap between the LED and the
photo-transistor. If you've used a socket for the opto isolator
chip, always a good idea, then replacing it only takes a moment."

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As far as injectors are concerned you can feed the 5 volts output of
the opto to one of the analog inputs and it will automatically
record the width of the injector pulse.

It sure would be interesting to find out exactly what e-shaft angle
Tracy is firing the injectors.

Paul Lamar


Paul,

I've already got a 5v DC power source.  So, I'm good there.

Do I _need_ an opto isolator in order to capture MAP data, or
can the
Hytek s/w do a sample of say 10 to 20 seconds.  I would like to keep
this as simple as possible, at least in the beginning.  I can always
add more capabilities later on.

On a side note, Bobby Hughes and myself spent a couple of hours on
Sunday re-tuning my EC-2.  It idles pretty good now down
[p-port-3-rotor] as low as 1800 rpm, and most of the hick-ups and
stumbles are gone as well.  The ones that remain are much less
significant.  So, it was a fruitful day.  We still need to tune the
portion of the MAP table that you can only get to while flying, and
the weather is IFR right now, so that will have to wait.

Mark


No you don't need the opto's for manifold pressure. Just hook those
little five volt jewels up directly as in this picture. The info
will be stored in comma delimited form (.csv) for import to a spread
sheet file.

Here are a few examples. The screen shot of run 6 xls spread
sheet shows
some of  the recorded data taken at 1000 samples per second.
The engine was running for 35,000 seconds or so at this point.
The column on the left shows the number of milliseconds at the point
where the data was taken.  Unless you want huge 15 meg spread sheets
put an on and off switch so you can record data only when you
need it.

This is a VERY powerful tool for studying intake manifolds.

There is also a spread sheet plot of the raw data in this attached
screen shot.

The big advantage of monitoring the injectors is you have a file
on hard
disk of your curent tuning. Other people can do the same thing and
then a direct comparison can be made. If somebody is having trouble
they can compare their mixture settings with yours. This is a
powerful tool for tuning Tracy's system. I can also store these and
send them out to people with similar airplanes.

Paul Lamar


Paul,

I'm anxious to get it wired up and start logging data.  I
envision using
a tee on each of the three rotors' vacuum ports.  Since all
three ports
are tee'd into one line, will I need check valves to isolate the
pulses?

Mark

I would use 3 pressure sensors. One for each port. Then you
really know
what is going on. If you get big leak in the throttle cable
end you will see a different wave shape for that port. I am thinking
of doing a PC board to hook the Hytek to at least 3 pressure
sensors, the CAS, All six injectors and all six ignition trans
formers.
It will be equipped with opto isolators where needed and a 5 volt
power supply.

What do you think?

Paul Lamar



Suggest you include fuel pressure too.  I'll take one.

Mark

I am working on the PC board as we speak.

Why fuel pressure? It is supposed to be constant.

What brand of fuel pressure sensor are you using? Take a pic and
send it to me. This is the one I have in the RV4.

Paul Lamar


Fuel pressure to see & verify that the regulator is doing what we
expect.  There have been a number of cases where people have
purchased
the wrong fuel pressure regulator and then had trouble figuring
out why
their engines wouldn't run as expected.  It just seems like a
good thing
to see, but if you have an EM-2, you already know that it is/isn't
working.

Mark

The fuel pressure sensors are expensive. If you have a spare you
could loan it to me. They apparently are a simple resistor so we
will have to measure the resistance and design a circuit that will
change them to a zero to five volts out circuit. That will mean
pumping them up to max
pressure of around 100 psi. Lacking that you could try measuring
yours with the engine running and an ohm meter. I am open to other
ideas.

Paul Lamar


Paul,

Sorry, I didn't mean to insinuate that I had some fuel pressure
sensors
on hand.  I have a fuel pressure regulator on my a/c.  It has a fuel
pressure sensor that feeds info to the EM-2.  Most of the rotary
guys
have the EC-2 and EM-2, so they can see the pressure data off
the EM-2.
 Could we tap into the existing pressure sensor, or would that
screw up
the EM-2?  My guess is that Tracy would advise against it.  Maybe we
could temporarily disconnect the EM-2 from the fuel pressure sensor
while we run our analysis, then reconnect when done.  If people
didn't
want to do that they could just not use it.

I just thought it might be helpful in spotting problems if it
was on the
graph along with all the other information.  Maybe we could find an
alternative pressure sensor that would do the job for less money.

Mark

You are right about taping into it.
Perhaps you can buy one and just use the new sensor.

Paul Lamar
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   Paul,

   My new Hytek data logger arrived today.  I loaded the iDAQTest&Log
   software, connected the unit via the supplied USB cable (green LED
   is lit), but the s/w doesn't recognize the Hytek.  It shows up in my
   Device Manager.  The error message that pops up reads, "Error Code =
   5002  Message: device index exceed the max device number of that
   type".  There is no HELP button, and the User's Guide isn't any help
   either.  Got any suggestions?

   Mark


P.S.  Right clicking on the Hytek icon in Device Mgr. says that the
driver isn't installed.  Although I definitely installed the driver, I
tried re-installing it.  Still no luck.  Could it be that the Hytek
driver doesn't support Windows 7, 64 bit version?

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Possibly. Fix the registery first and try again.

That USB interface is used on 1,000's of Micro Chip (PIC) based products.

Paul Lamar