Paul,

  Hooray, I finally understand the Obama energy policy! It's
  simple. When he says "All of the above" he means "None of the
  below". "Above" includes only wind and solar and solar, of
  course, covers anything which requires light to grow thereby
  including most synthetic fuels. These fuels do not generate
  any CO2 overall because any CO2 generated by burning them will
  quickly be absorbed by growing plants somewhere. Simple
  recycling. "Below" covers anything which must be drilled or
  mined in some fashion. See, isn't that simple?

  Fred O.

  Simple yes effective no :) Paul Lamar

  Paul,

  I was really surprised that I wasn't taken to the woodshed
  regarding the above "recycling" but then I did say it was
  Obama's policy. Actually, due to my education here on your
  site I fully understand that it takes a lot of energy to
  acquire biomass and convert it to biofuel. Unless the entire
  process is solar powered (wind is solar) there will be a large
  amount of CO2 generated in excess of that generated by burning
  the biofuel.

  Fred O.

  But who cares? We need the CO2 to grow more food. The doomsday
  scenario for excess CO2 and global warming is left wing propaganda
  pure and simple and they know it. It is all about political power.
  If they can convince you we will all die from CO2 just give them the
  political power and they will fix it. Sure! Just like Hitler fixed
  the economy of Germany in the early 1930's.

  This is from the guy making the measurements:
  http://www.rotaryeng.net/CO2-640.wmv

  Paul Lamar


 A few years ago a company; Syntech, had a division for power. They used
 Capstone micro turbines that spun magnets in a stator. One system was
 installed to power grow lights in a green house to grow tomatoes. The
 engine
 burned natural gas and the exhaust was ducted into the green house. The
 software for the system powered down the engine during the day and
 restarted
 when light levels were below that required. The tomatoes grew like they
 were
 hydroponic or better. Size more like grapefruit. I think this got lost when
 Enerflex (a compressor packager) bought out Syntech. Re sold now to Tarpon
 Electric and Instrumentation.

 Dale Davies

 The dutch used piped in CO2 to the green houses to enhance the growth of
 flowers for
 sale to most of Europe. That is where the term "green house gases" came
 from.

 BTW CO2 is only a trace gas in the atmosphere. It is measured down in the
 parts per
 million.

 Paul Lamar


 You may correct me if I am wrong, I think it went like this: The
mouthpiece EPA was trying to legislate fuel consumption to the Auto
industry that caused an uproar by saying that is not possible.

Then as a countermeasure, instead of dictating what goes in, the approach
was changed to dictating to what comes out of the engine. Since the product
is essentially CO2 and H2O CO2 was chosen to be limited. In order to be
plausible it was declared a pollutant which it is not. We all and even the
EPA knows that, except the population at large with the help of the IPCC
and other opportunists like Al Gore.

Nature would not have a basic and fundamental building stone to be a
pollutant and harmful.

Rolf

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