Subject: Coal Fired Aircraft, oh wait...
From: rotaryeng
Date: 4/2/2012, 11:59 PM
To: AAAA Put this in the To box


 http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/johnransom/2012/03/29/obama_promise_kept_coal_plants_to_go_bankrupt_with_new_epa_carbon_cap

 As a guest on Bill Bennett's program noted they are outside the CO2
 limit @ 1050
 (units) over the 1000 threshold, while Natural Gas is at 850.
 Doesn't matter if the new Critical or Supercritical Units ( or even
 Fluidized Bed ) Plants that are really high tech. Gee, I wonder if
 and when GE unveils a Natural Gas Co-Gen unit that fits the bill.....

 So we scuttle existing plants, curtail future ones, and have a push
 for electric cars and dare I say electric aircraft. Is it me or is
 that a recipe for crunching the grid to the point of brown-outs or worse?

 Would you put time and energy in electric aircraft with all this
 going on with your power source? On top of this Li-Ion Battery
 Company A123 is about to go chapter 11. Maybe if you have a Natural
 Gas fired Arxio Co-Gen Unit in your basement or at the airfield to
 charge it, but at this point I don't get this electric aircraft
 thing, what am I missing here?

 On top of this where is Ray Kurzweil's ( Bill Gate's goto guy )
 Solar Panel breakthrough that he predicted on Beck's Program when he
 was on CNN? What was that, 5 years ago now it should be here?

 One of my more recent conversations wit my "auto gnome" I mentioned electric
 aircraft, he was stunned at the concept, given what he knows about
 the hybrid arena, he couldn't see it...

 My best,
 Anthony

 Electric airplanes are toys and always will be. The neat thing about
 real gasoline powered airplanes is they give you tremendous freedom
 to travel long distances. Liberal/radical/commies hate that kind of
 freedom. For you..not for them. Not possible using batteries. I
 don't know what the watt hours per pound ratio is at the present
 moment but my guess is the ratio of gasoline to batteries watt hours
 per pound is at least 100 to one.

 All of this is ignoring the real facts. We need more CO2 not less
 and some global warming is good. In effect IMHO, more water vapor
 from the oceans will fall as rain in the dryer parts of the world.

 Hopefully when we get a new government much of this anti oil and
 coal nonsense will be rectified as we will have fewer water melons
 (Green on the outside and red inside) in power.

 Coal would make fine gasoline in about 100 years when the real cost
 of gasoline gets too expensive.

 Look at this: http://www.rotaryeng.net/Energy-reserves.wmv

 I just added part 2: http://www.rotaryeng.net/ER2.wmv

 And for a good laugh about another serious problem look at this:

 http://www.rotaryeng.net/American-Pie.wmv

 Paul Lamar

 I can see how electirc aircraft might catch on in a very small
 niche market- flight trainig in the pattern. An electric airplane
 could fly for 45 minutes and land to exchange exhausted batteries
 for freshly recharged ones. This is dependent on how many touch and
 goes one could get out of the batteries. Maybe something along the
 lines of a Diamond Katana. Engine maintainance would be nil. I
 can't see electric airplanes ever having any appreciable endurance.
 I could be wrong, but there isn't anything to indicate that some
 sort of magical technological breakthrough is in sight.

 Brian


 Everything has a forte'. Electric aircraft may be flight training as
 mentioned and for people who like to take an hour flight in the evening. LSA.
 Cross country is not likely to become a factor at least until battery life can
 be stretched by a couple of factors.

 Dale Davies

 Don't hold you breath on battery life. Henry Fords wife had an electric car at the
 turn of the 20th centry that could go 50 miles on a charge. That was alomst 100 years
 ago. The new GM Volt can only make 30 miles. Think of the battery in your lap top
 computer.

 http://www.henryfordestate.org/claracar.htm

 Paul Lamar


 I wonder how fast the 1915 Electric Ford would go. Energy use, for a
 given size/shape/efficiency vehicle is dominated by speed. It's
 pretty easy to go 50mi at 20mph. A lot harder to do it at 75mph.


 Matt-

 It was not a Ford product. Read the link. It was 1914 Detroit Electric Model 47
 Brougham.

 Tire rolling resistance is directly proportional to speed and weight. At around 50
 MPH rolling resistance and aero drag are about equal for the avg. car. Since the volt
 is 4000 pounds and the average economy car is 3000 pounds the Volt has 33% more
 rolling resistance. I doubt seriously the Volt will make 30 miles at 75 MPH on
 battery alone.

 Paul Lamar

 Battery powered man carrying airplanes are an entertainment item just as the electric
 boats used on some small lakes or in Newport Harbor for bar hopping. I was in the
 marine industry for ten years and when we introduced quiet and clean small four
 stroke cycle outboards the electric motor rules went out the window. Battery powered
 boats are a pain to maintain and if care is not taken they can cause fires and I have
 seen lead acid batteries explode when mishandled during charging.
 Bob Young

 		 	   		
we could have perpetual aircraft if we wanted it......we could have limitless energy
with very few environmental detriments... IF we wanted it... just sayin'
Jess

Saying what?

Paul Lamar
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