Subject: siimple ignition
From: rotaryeng
Date: 4/8/2012, 8:19 PM
To: AAAA Put this in the To box


 It's spring planting time in Wisconsin, and I my Briggs & Stratton
  powered rototiller lost all spark.  I had to spring for what amounts to
  a "new magneto".

  Why wouldn't something like this work on a rotary/Wankel engine?
  Two screws and a wire for the kill-switch is all that is required to
  install this unit externally to the flywheel.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Briggs-Stratton-Ignition-Coil-492341-495859-NEW-/260635372094?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3caf142a3e

  Admittedly, my Briggs has its problems. The armature/flywheel magnet
  air-gap is supposed to be 0.010, and my Briggs flywheel was probably
  cast in China where some guy did not know the meaning of the term
  "round" , so I have to run my engine with a considerably larger air-gap
  to allow the flywheel to rotate all the way around (thereby producing a
  weaker spark), but it does start/run quite well (without a computer ):)

  R Berglund

  Good price for an outboard type of ignition.

  It runs at 3600 RPM where the timing is fixed  more or less.

  What is the OD of the magnet/flywheel?

  http://www.foxvalleykart.com/timing2.html


  Paul Lamar

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  How does the Magnetron Ignition System function? How can it be tested?
  Ignition System Theory and Testing

  Now let's look at the venerable Briggs & Stratton and its "Magnetron" ignitions
  system. It seemed impossible to believe when Briggs told us we could yank out the
  points and condenser that had served us to well for years and plug that little box in
  their place. Well, not only does it work, but also it works better than the old
  points ever did. Here's how: The magnetron coil actually contains 3 separate coils of
  windings. In addition to the primary and secondary windings, there is a 3rd winding,
  called the "trigger" coil." When the leading edge of the magnets in the flywheel
  approach the coil, the magnetic field surrounding those magnets generates a small
  voltage (about 1 volt) that powers a solid-state switching device called a Darlington
  Transistor, turning the transistor "on." That "on" mode completes the circuit on the
  primary winding and a current of about 3 amps flows to ground on the crankcase
  (Figure 2). As the flywheel continues to rotate that current builds the magnetic
  field in the secondary winding.


  When the trailing edge of the magnets in the spark plug gap. the flywheel reaches the
  trigger coil, a second small current is induced in the trigger coil and that current
  tells the transistor to "turn off", effectively breaking the circuit of the primary
  winding to ground (Figure 3). As we discussed last month, the sudden break causes the
  magnetic field to collapse. Since current (amperage) and voltage are inversely
  proportional, suddenly stopping the current flow causes the voltage to "spike" as it
  compensates. It's that spike that builds the voltage required in the secondary
  winding to jump the sparkplug gap and ignite the mixture. By the way, in the
  Magnetron coil, the primary winding has 74 turns of wire and the secondary has 4400.
  That's a 59.5:1 ratio and that helps insure that there's enough voltage to get the
  job done. All this, the initial current in the trigger coil, the buildup of
  potential, the second trigger coil pulse, and the collapsing field with the resulting
  voltage spike and spark, in on about 10 degrees of crank rotation. That means that at
  6000 RPM the whole thing, start to finish, only takes about 0.00027 seconds. Pretty
  amazing.

  This simple, but very effective, spark control system even advances the ignition
  timing, causing the plug to fire earlier (in degrees of crank rotation) as RPMs go
  up. You may recall from the part on of this series (NKN January,2000) that "the rate
  at which (the) potential develops determines its magnitude." In other words, the
  faster you spin the magnet on the flywheel past the windings in the coil, the greater
  the potential voltage that is developed. Since it only takes about 1.0 volts from the
  trigger coil to turn the Darlington transistor on (and off), the faster (in terms of
  crank rotation degrees) the potential builds to the required 1.0 volts, the earlier
  the induced current in the primary side of the coil will begin to build. And
  likewise, the earlier the second trigger coil potential reaches 1.0 volts, the
  earlier it will turn the transistor off and trigger the spark process. Take a look at
  Figure 3 to see how this advances the timing.
  I know this sounds like a lot of engineering gobbledygook. But what it means to you
  as a racer is, the faster you turn the engine, the earlier the spark occurs in the
  rotation of the crank. "Advancing" the spark is something that engine tuners from
  karts to NASCAR have played with for years. Most big-car ignition systems have had
  built-in ignition advance for decades. In more recent years, old mechanical systems
  to change the timing in the distributor have been replaced with sophisticated
  electronic engine control systems. The Briggs "Magnetron" system does exactly that,
  cleanly, efficiently, and reliably.

  Probably the most commonly used ignition-tuning tool on the Briggs & Stratton 4stroke
  is the offset flywheel key. Every kart shop carries them and the savvy Briggs racer
  carries a selection to adjust the engine to the track. Basically, these little
  machined pieces replace the stock Briggs 1/8" X 1/8" flywheel key. Although they are
  sometimes marked in thousandths of an inch offset, more commonly they are identified
  by degrees of offset. In other words, how many degrees of crank rotation do they move
  the flywheel from the stock position. Most engine builders building methanol-burning
  Stock-class engines usually send their engines out the door with 5 degrees or so of
  offset. That amount of advance provides a reasonably safe performance increase
  without too many headaches for the less experienced or adventurous tuner. Part of
  that improved performance comes from starting the combustion process itself earlier
  and thus optimizing the point at which the combustion chamber pressure reaches its
  peak. Another part comes from the fact that the methanol/air mixture burns somewhat
  more slowly than a gasoline/air mixture for which the engine was designed. So you
  gas-classers out there take note; 2 or 3 degrees is a better place for you to start.

  The 1980's ushered in the magic black box, Magnetron™ ignition coil, Briggs &
  Stratton's first truly electronic ignition system. Breaker point ignition systems for
  most small air-cooled engine manufacturers have totally disappeared over the last 20
  years. In a point style system, the flywheel magnets rotate past the legs of the
  ignition armature. The armature itself is made up of two separate windings of copper
  wire - the primary and secondary - one wound on top of the other. Basic physics tells
  us that when a magnetic field (flywheel magnet) cuts through (moves past) a conductor
  (copper wire), a flow of electrons (electricity) is created. However, electron flow
  only occurs when we have a complete circuit.  This means that the points must be
  closed. We're also told that the faster the movement between the field and the
  conductor, the greater the output.

  Remember science class in grade school? At one point in your school career, an
  enterprising teacher wrapped a length of copper wire around a nail and hooked the
  wire ends to a dry cell battery. A handful of paper clips was instantly attracted to
  the nail and fell away when the battery was disconnected. Electron flow through a
  conductor then, causes a magnetic field. When the points close, electron flow causes
  a magnetic field to be created around the primary. This field also envelopes the
  secondary. The points now open, break the circuit and collapse the field through the
  primary. The field caving in on itself is movement just like the rotating magnetic
  field of the flywheel. This movement is at speeds much greater than the flywheel
  could spin - near the speed of light. The rapidly collapsing field tears through the
  secondary winding which has sixty turns of wire for every one turn of the primary -
  effectively generating 60 times the voltage created in the primary. The sum total of
  this is that the secondary winding can create up to 25,000 volts in some systems,
  which is used to jump the air gap of the spark plug and ignite the fuel/air mixturero
  in the combustion chamber.

  Now for the black box. Magnetron™ solid state ignition systems, in essence, replace
  the mechanical breaker points with a transistor. That is, we replace a mechanical
  switch with an electronic one. No moving parts, no arcing, no adjustments and solid
  state reliability.

  Remember speed is a factor. The engine must be pulled over at a minimum speed of 250
  RPM before the coil will even think about firing. Thick oil on a winter day or a
  heavy parasitic load may cause problems. Customers come into play here as well.
  Shorter or elderly individuals may not have the leverage or strength required to
  reach the RPM required to activate the Magnetron's electronics.

  The tester electrode gap is .166" wide. Those wise in the way of electrons have
  calculated that it takes around 13,000 volts to jump this gap. We need 10,000 to jump
  the gap on a cold spark plug.

  When under compression, the plug requires twice the voltage to fire.

  Briggs & Stratton air gaps cannot be made too wide to prevent spark providing the
  coil is healthy and the engine is spun over fast enough. A wide air gap, say .030"
  will ever so slightly retard the ignition timing as the magnetic field takes longer
  to build within the coil windings.

  B&S


The principle of operation of the B&S magnetron ignition is quite
ingenious. The one problem that might arise on an aircraft engine is
achieving the necessary cranking-speed, especially in cold weather...
which makes my thoughts hark back to when I was a young punk and a
neighbor kid and I rescued some Model-T Ford parts we found in a gully
and assembled our own T.  It was much like the car that Johny Cash used
to sing about; it was a conglomeration of parts that spanned over a
decade of Ford's production.

What was fascinating about the T was the fact that it had two ignition
systems, and since this all occurred 50 years ago, the exact wiring
logic has long since faded from my brain, but our T had both a
magneto-ignition system, and a battery-based ignition system.  The
magneto consisted of sever V-shaped magnets that were embedded in the
flywheel and produced a current from a field-coil at the top of the
bell-housing.  It seemed that the new models of the T had an optional
6-volt battery. There was a box that contained 4 ignition coils hanging
on the firewall, and each coil had a mechanical vibrator that produced
an amazingly hot continuous spark whenever input current was applied to
the primary of the coil.  Timing was controlled by a distributor-like
"timer" that hung off the front end of the camshaft.  Although it looked
much like a typical distributor cap, the timer operated on only 6 volts.
The rotor consisted of a little metal roller than rolled around the
inside of the timer-cap and provided the low voltage to the coil
primaries at the appropriate time.  Timing advance/retard was handled by
a lever that looked much like a modern directional-signal lever on the
steering column.  What was neat about the T was that one often did not
need to crank the engine if it was warm.  Just hop into the driver's
seat, turn on the switch, and move the "spark" lever until the
timer-roller made contact with a nearby coil circuit, and the beast
would start running if there was sufficient fuel remaining in a
cylinder.

So how about making a duel-powered Wankel ignition system?
A B&S Magnetron system for typical running, and also have batter-source
for coil excitation when cranking speed is insufficient. ????

R. Berglund



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