Subject: auto engines
From: rotaryeng
Date: 6/9/2012, 11:38 AM
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I happens to have a lot of faith in GM engines. They , like everything
else, are not perfect. Chevy had camshaft problems in the distance
past,and the timing chain is the first thing you dump when you hop up
the engines, gears are much more reliable.However it is the Chryslers
that like to jump teeth with their plastic gears etc. Fords had problems
in their V8's a decade ago with too few threads holding the spark
plugs.Aircraft engines are made with the finest steel and techniques
available...................in the 1940's!! If I have such a high
opinion of the word "certified" I would not be looking at alternate
engines.They published my letter in the latest Flying mag. on that subject.
Another reason for the nickel content is for a bit better corrosion
resistance, which a/c have more than many cars. The nickel content also
add some toughness, but I don't think they have any where near as much
as in amour plating.

Auto engines had incremental improvements  through the years, while
aircraft engines are at a stand still, and still have lead in the gas.
The auto industry, easily 100 times the size, within a time span of 3
years, had the lead removed starting in 1975?Basically with hardened
valve seats and to get the necessary octane with more refining without
the lead. Now they use ethanol.They had incentive from governments,
especially Calif.

A 400 HP engine only use a small fraction on the highway, that is no
indication of the engine's toughness. A Chevy small block 350 cubic inch
can easily put out twice that or even more in dragster applications
where the engine life is 1 mile.

I heard of how they pushed these engines during endurance testings, some
with pictures of the turbo glowing red hot.So a race modified 400 HP
Chevy LS engine at 350 HP cruise would easily outlast the standard 2000
hr. TBO , the TBO times could rival that of a PT-6! I think the % of
certified engines that made it to TBO is around 5% or less.
But the piston engine do have several inherit disadvantages, compare
with rotary and turbines, more part count, liquid cooling, and the re
drive, one more thing to go wrong.

The re drive  I think is only troublesome for the smaller HP
applications, where there are more space, weight  and budget
constraints. Even Rotex, with their engineer resources available to
them, had their shares of AD's.By the time you get to 300 HP,  I don't
hear as much complaints.All turbines have re drives, for prop, fan or
accessories, yet the PT-6 have a reputation for reliability.
One thing the Viking engines(and Rotex) taught me, they use Evans
coolant. This stuff boil at 375F, a significant margin in borderline
detonation cases in boosted engines. That means I only need a minimal
amount of pressure (0-5 Psi?) to aid circulation and to forget the
pressure for raising the boiling point.That increase reliability. The
engine may run a bit hotter.
Tony Lam

A race modified  V8 is lucky to last a 24 hour race.
It took GM several years on a Le Mans programed dyno to get a Chevy V8 to
last 24 hours. We had to back off on the sprint car power red line. As it was, GM
used all aircraft qulity parts. The engines were then worth over $100,000 in today's
dollar. The fundamental problem is inadequate bore spacing and the V8 configuration,


http://www.rotaryeng.net/DS-smith-art.pdf

Smithsonian Air & Space magazine article "Power Struggle" by Don
Sherman, January 1997, page 72. Excellent ten page  article (with
many pictures) about auto engines in airplanes. A brief history of
all auto engines in airplanes and a more detailed history of the
twenty year, twenty million dollar  development of the Chevy V8
based, all aluminum Orenda liquid cooled aircraft engine. At this
time (Jan 1997) and well after the article was written the engine
failed its FAA 150 hour full power certification test due to a
crankshaft problem after 20 years of very expensive development.
It was finally certified in 1998 by Transport Canada.

Extensive changes have been made to the basic Chevy big block engine
including a parallel cooling system with dual coolant pumps as
opposed to the serial cooling system with single pump as typically
found in automotive engines. Parallel cooling systems were
considered to be essential in the 1920's on liquid cooled aircraft
engines.

Engine length is almost everything to a car designer. Engine cooling
compromises are made by simezing the cylinder walls in automotive
engines. Crankshaft life at high continuous power is compromised by
shortening the length, leaving too little room for adequate size
journal fillet radii. In my opinion this engine will not be
successful until it is re-designed from a clean sheet of paper to be
a real aircraft engine. If that happens they might as well go to a
horizontal opposed configuration for lighter weight.

Orenda is now in the process of moving the project to Nova Scotia
and injecting another 32 million dollars of mostly Canadian
government money. They are also attempting to market the engine to
the homebuilt market. I don't expect many takers at over $100K per engine.

Recently Lancair gave up after spending a lot of money installing
the engine in a special airplane called the Lancair Tigress.
The engine and the Tigress were donated to the EAA museum as
a tax write off.

The Orenda company is now bankrupt.

http://www.rotaryeng.net/DS-smith-art.pdf

Paul Lamar

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