Subject: Second flight
From: rotaryeng
Date: 6/24/2012, 11:38 PM
To: AAAA Put this in the To box


 As loyal viewers may recall in my first flight two weeks ago my
 oil temps   were higher   than desired. So, after using the fine
 guys and gals here as a resource   and some fact   checking I
 determined I was measuring the oil temps at the wrong location.   Since
    coolant was measured coming out of the engine, I assumed the oil
 would be   measured   coming out too. Wrong.

    So, over the last two weeks I moved one of my oil temp sensors location
    after the
    coolers just before it goes into the engine.

    Ideally, I would have made it to the airport really early while still
    somewhat cool
    but my hostess and I lingered a bit this am. Then I had to drive
 home to   check on mom   who is fighting cancer.

    I finally made to the hangar about1:30pm<x-apple-data-
 detectors://0. Yep.   Hot ad   hell. Called the tower on the phone
 to let them know intent. Same as last   time.   Desire to climb to
 about 1700 and fly around the field testing base flight   and engine
   characteristics.

    I did a slow preflight. Cranked up the engine which cooperated nicely.
    Taxied from my
    hangar and called tower on the radio. Was cleared to Echo on 35L.
    Proceeded to echo.
    Ran-up. Temps were sweet at about 160 coolant and 140 oil. Tower informed
    me a C-130
    was on final and asked how long I needed on the runway. I told
 him I could   roll and   go. I was cleared for immediate take off
 and to track the C-130. I applied   power,   lined up and added more
 power. Leaned the mixture slightly and power came   in. I had
  coursed the prop a bit as to not again reach 3100 rpm. Airspeed was
 slower   to build   but was developing. When I hit 70 kts I pulled
 back and started flying.   Wow. It was   much more sluggish today
 but I was climbing while maintaining around 90   kts. I   flattened
 the prop a bit and climbed a bit better. The prop was turning
  about 2800   rpm now. Turned to crosswind and kept climbing. Turned
 to downwind. I was   around 1500   on downwind. Well, kinda. My
 altitude was all over the place between 1400   and 1700.   Really
 bumpy today...not too surprising with ramp OAT showing 109. Hey, in
  Houston,   ya gotta test in the heat cuz ya gonna be flying in the heat.

    I then started flying around in circles. Checking engine
 parameters a lot   while   flying the airplane. Good news. Neither
 the oil or water ever broke 203   that I saw.   That was only on
 climb. I seconded from 1700, this time on purpose and   noted the
  decreasing trend of both oil and coolant temps. Pressures were in
 the   middle of the   green bands. EGT's were green too. The engine
 sounded strong and steady.

    I turned right, I turned left and low and behold, the dang thing turned
    almost like
    it was designed to do so brought back power and it actually kept flying.

    Okay, the Dynon is telling me I have been FLYING working on 20 minutes.
    Time to land.
    Called tower and cleared to land but watch the jet wash of the
 NASA T-38   taking off   and the C-130 doing touch and goes with the
 option. Damn, busy airport. I   lined up   MUCH better with the
 runway this time. Nice shallow approach just like the   folks at
 the factory showed me in Florida back in April. A bit fast as I test
 some   throttle   response. 120 on final slowed to 90 at the
 numbers. Pulling power to a bit   above 80   and settling nicely but
 a little fast. Pulled nose up SLIGHTLY. Whoa,   floated up.   Engine
 to idle and settled to the runway only a little hard, but pretty
 smooth. No   bounce. Rolled out. Exited Delta. Checked temps. Damn.
 Oil at 165, coolant   175. Nice.

    Taxied back. Temps played nicely. Shut down engine and no gushing
 or   hissing sounds.   Big smile on pilots face

    The engine even started back up a few minutes later ;-)

    Not a bad flight, if I do say so myself. Now to finish my test
 cards to   help remember   more stuff such as map relating to RPM etc.

    Chris Barber
    Velocity N17010
    Turbo rotary

    You make me jealous Chris. Good work. I have been so busy that I haven't
  been able to work on my plane for almost 2 weeks now. I sit for my
  Instrument at the end of this coming week, and I am hoping that in
 the next 2 weeks I can work on mine for 1 or 2 days per week to try
 to catch  up.

  Fly off your 40, and enjoy the plane!

  What turbo did  you use? Soon I will be mounting the ancillary
 parts on mine, and I will be installing a turbo.

  Kevin Alderman

  These first flight experiences is really an inspiration to me when
 I have still a long way to go. I've forwarded your first experience
 to all my friends and relatives changing the Subject heading to "My
 time will also come!" I got cheers all around!

  Pierre
  Future Vision Pilot In Command!

  Pierre Swanepoel
  Logistics Co-ordinator
  GoReefers Logistics Cape Town

 You did not say what you mean by high oil temp. I think oil should be
 around 195- 210 min., enough to evaporate any moisture from the oil.
 In your hot, dry climate, you would have less problem than I would
 at the north in the winter. I would be comfortable with oil temp around
 230-240F. Oil temp can exceed the coolant's temp boil limit,which is
 256 F at 50/50 mix and 15 PSI, unless you are using Evans Radiator fluid
 which is 375 F, it also depends on what oil you are using. My Chevron
 book says the flash point of aviation oil is 450-478F, best you stay
 well clear of that. As oil get near its operating limits, the useful
 life expectancy of the oil decrease.

 Oil at a higher temp transfer heat better than at lower temp. The
 key is the difference in temp with the cooling air. It will
 stabilize at some point, and if you don't like that point, you will
 have to get a bigger cooler, more oil capacity, or better ducting or
 a combination of each.

  You had it right the first time measuring oil at the hottest point.
 All fluids have limits. Of course the temp would drop if you switch the
 probe as you did. If you dunk it into the fuel tank, it would be
 lower still ! The idea is to know the hottest temp the oil is
 subjected to, not to make you feel good. For overheated oil have all
 kind of nasty effects. Tony Lam

 We don't need to use aviation oil. Synthetic oil like Mobil 1 can
 function at a higher temp. Idmitsu makes a synthetic rotary engine
 oil specifically for the Mazda rotary.

 Paul Lamar


 Petroleum oils are a witches brew of hydro carbons. Some are light ends that
boil off at a fairly low temp. Some do not boil off until considerably higher
temps. A 10W-30 oil subjected to 250F will boil off or evaporate the light
ends and it will tend to become a 15W-30 or 20W-30 oil. Also affecting the oil
is the close tolerances and rotational speed differences of the internal
components. This tends to shear the viscosity improves that make the 10W base
oil act like a 30 oil when hot. When this happens the oil looses its hot
qualities and becomes a 20 or 25 oil. This all leaves it as a 15W-25 oil for
example. When doing oil analysis on used oil, this seems to be a common result
that comes back. Synthetics or more expensive petroleum oils that have better
additive packages are more resistant to this. Synthetics are blended of single
hydro carbon base stocks. The blend gives a lot of the qualities required of
the finished product combined with high quality additive packages that stand
up better and longer. That is why synthetics are more expensive. Remember the
Fram filter ad from years ago, "pay me now or pay me later". Av oils fit the
same idea.

For conventional oils, I would feel much more comfortable with a max oil temp
of about 210 - 220F. This leaves a better safety margin to the 250F start of
oil break down. The temps measured are oil pan or out to the cooler. The temp
at some point in the internal components like cylinder wall to ring interface
will be higher. The bearing temps can also be higher. Many of the industrial
engines now monitor bearing shell temps to catch imminent failure before it
costs big happy cabbage. These use a thermocouple on the steel shell backing,
so the wear surface can be hotter at the point of maximum bearing load. This
is also where the shear happens.

Dale Davies

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