Subject: nice all alloy motor, made in Oz
From: rotaryeng
Date: 7/12/2012, 9:48 PM
To: AAAA Put this in the To box


 This looks like a nice all alloy motor, made in Oz. The side plates
  are $2280 Ozzie dollars.

                                  Cheers Chris in NZ

   http://www.billetinc.com.au/#

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   What does it weigh?
   Why the custom rotor housing?
   What does the end housing coolant passages look like?

   Has it run? At what power level and for how long?

   Paul Lamar

   The rotor housings may be a stock part with a trim from machining.
  Just for cosmetics?

   Robert

   Let us know how you go Neil. I'm 3hrs from there and I 'm keen to
  check that out. I will definately be having a look at that and have
  an uncle that I'll be dragging along, he lives in Chermside Nth
  Brisbane and is a retired L.A.M.E. looks really good. BTW I found
  this new product at http://xtremerotaries.co/service-pages/semi-
  peripheral-port.htm might be interesting, worth a look. What do you
  think Paul?

   Graeme Riley

   That is the expensive way to do it. We had a lot of trouble with
  bonded in leaking. The tig welded in is a lot more reliable. These
  guys are heavy into drag racing. A bit overkill for aircraft.

   Paul Lamar

   Graeme,
                 Sadly it seems that Rohan anbrose AKA xtreme rotaries
  is now scaling down his business for whatever reason which is a
  pity. Brilliant mechanic on rotaries. He actually did my P porting
  and set up my motor, but only now apparently works one day a week
  for himself.  Neil.

   Yeah Neil, I saw that he was available only by appointment and that
  he was sufffering under the high Aussie dollar. I agree it is a
  shame as his products turn up on international sites and are well
  reguarded, he obviously has design and machining ability. I do hope
 things  improve for his business, if he can hang in there things hopefully
  will turn around.

   Where are you Neil? got any specs on your engine you'd like to
  share. Thanks Graeme

   Graeme,
                    Thoroughly worth a visit to Darren.  He is
  currently working on a 600HP 3 rotor for some Lancair or whatever.
   Never even asked what PSRU he was to use.  Today he has a bloke
  coming to see about a single rotor. I think he will be very busy.  I
  am in central NSW.  Just google Parkes in NSW, then radio telescope,
  go a mile NW of there and you have my strip, then another mile to
  the west again and you have my house, the one with the pool.  I
  won;t be in it for a month or two, so it will be OK!! Neil.

   Do you guys have Detriot Diesel DD15 or Daimler engines in Oz?
   Darren might adapt the DD15 turbo compound system to  that 600 HP 3
  rotor for lower fuel burn. If Darren does it I will visit.

   Here is a guy in Perth that almost did it but the supercharger exploded
   around 1400
   HP before he got it installed. He was going to adapt a CW R-3350 TC
  blow down turbine.

   Paul Lamar

                Lost all contact with Detroit after they went to 4 stroke.
   Went to Cummings and now Cat, so unable to help off the top of my head.
   Cannot recall seeing any Daimler, or are you referring to Mercedes
  Benz of which there are many.  Apparently the blokem that wants 600
  hp wants to race it, so fuel burn will be a non event, just so long
  as it GOES! Neil.

   In theory turbo compound rotary the most efficient internal combustion
   engine of all
   time. It would make an excellent generator.

   Daimler, Detroit, MB all the same international company now. See if
  there are any 600 HP road train diesels out there with turbo
  compound. I saw a lot of road trains in 2002 in the out back around
  Mount Isa.

   BTW what does your intake manifold look like. Got any pictures
  looking down from a step ladder?

   Paul Lamar

   Paul,
             Oddly enough I don't have a photo from on top.  The two
  runners go into the blue plenum box (moulded in two halves from an
  ice cream container possibly 6 inches square)  at 17 inches each and
  the intake goes from there to an air filter on top of the air intake
  for the heat exchangers.  Space over the top of the motor was very
  scarce as the thrust line of the motor is high in the glastar.

       There are road trains all around here, so should be no trouble
  to find something with a turbo compound, although I have never heard
  of one.   Will enquire.  Road trains in NSW are restricted to a
  double trailer, whereas in Qld they can get up to 3 trailers, and
  the territory runs 4 trailers.  Way back in the 60's they had a
  competition at Bourke to see just how many trailers one tug could
  pull. I have a photo of it somewhere, but it was about 90 plus
  trailers.  Then the WA boys got wind of it and took the record with
  something like 105 trailers.  Not to be outdone the Qld blokes
  retook the record with from memory 112 trailers set at Clifton in
  southern Qld. The tug was a Mack truck.  It had to pull the trailers
  a few hundred yards. They reckon that the steer tyres never touched
  the road the whole time varying from just off the road to 2 feet off
  the road.  I don't know who currently holds the record.  I suspect
  that it won't be the WA boys for all their dollies are now triples
  whereas the eastern states still only  have the bogies, so, much
  less rolling resistance for a competition of this nature.  As usual
  transport is held back by "experts" who have a uni degree and have
  never driven anything bigger than a push bike and just don't get the
  situation here in the "Back country".  All this means that trucks
  are now running with up to 1200 hp.  Most of these are auto g/boxes
  for clutches simply can't take the power.  In here on the inter
  state highways they are all around the 600 hp dragging b-doubles.
  Neil.

     Neil,
                You probably should probably explain what a "B" double
  is also tandem and triple dollys because I do not think they are
  used anywhere else in the world.         I have only seen single
  trailers, both in the US and in Europe with two axles at the rear of
  the trailer. Unlike here in OZ where we have up to three trailers
  with the first trailer with three, sometimes four axles, then
  followed by two more trailers with a "dolly" steerable axle at the
  front with two, sometimes three axles, followed by three, rarely
  four axles at the rear of the trailers, mostly all with "dual
  wheels", sometimes single so-called "super single" wheels. So the
  combination could have a total of 82 wheels, with a overall length
  of I think of 56 metres!!!        See link about OZ road trains
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oWkkqMWFmM
          That Kenworth would probably have a 600 plus HP Detroit,
  Cummins engine installed.
         Here in Western Queensland we have up to three trailer road
  trains with two decks of cattle or four decks of sheep on the roads.
             John Burey.

  In Canada as I understand it goes like this;
 "A" single trailer. Tandem or tri-axle on the trailer.
 "B" two trailers with a dolly under the front of the rear trailer.
 Tandem axle w/dual wheels at the rear. "Super B" two trailers w/ 5th
 wheel on the rear of the front trailer. Frequently tri-axle at the
 rear of the front trailer. "C" triple trailer with dollies on the
 front of the two rear trailers. Single or tandem axles at the
 trailer rears I have seen dollies with tandem axles, but usually single.
 We do have max length limits. Saskatchewan has introduced a longer length
 limit for trucks between Saskatoon and Regina only.
 Tractors to about 600HP as the DD16 has and tandem or tri-axle
 drive. No super single trailer applications allowed, only duals.
 Single axle tractors for urban delivery with reduced weight apps.
 The DD15 and DD16 only available in Freight shakers and Western Stars.

 Dale Davies

 Dale do you think you can find a DD15 and measure the turbo compound
 hardware for me? I want to make a scale 3D drawing mounted on a 3 rotor.

 Paul Lamar

 I am two hours out of Edmonton where there is a Detroit Diesel dealer. I may
have a contact I can maybe get the info from. Will take a few days.

Dale Davies

That would be great Dale. What happens to worn out truck engines? Do they scrap them
or do they rebuild them over and over? Please ask him what the new turbo compound
parts would cost.


Paul Lamar
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