Subject: nice all alloy motor, made in Oz
From: rotaryeng
Date: 7/13/2012, 11:15 PM
To: AAAA Put this in the To box


 This looks like a nice all alloy motor, made in Oz. The side plates
   are $2280 Ozzie dollars.

                                   Cheers Chris in NZ

    http://www.billetinc.com.au/#

    <http://www.hotfrog.com.au/Companies/BILLET
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    What does it weigh?
    Why the custom rotor housing?
    What does the end housing coolant passages look like?

    Has it run? At what power level and for how long?

    Paul Lamar

    The rotor housings may be a stock part with a trim from machining.
   Just for cosmetics?

    Robert

    Let us know how you go Neil. I'm 3hrs from there and I 'm keen to
   check that out. I will definately be having a look at that and have
   an uncle that I'll be dragging along, he lives in Chermside Nth
   Brisbane and is a retired L.A.M.E. looks really good. BTW I found
   this new product at http://xtremerotaries.co/service-pages/semi-
   peripheral-port.htm might be interesting, worth a look. What do you
   think Paul?

    Graeme Riley

    That is the expensive way to do it. We had a lot of trouble with
   bonded in leaking. The tig welded in is a lot more reliable. These
   guys are heavy into drag racing. A bit overkill for aircraft.

    Paul Lamar

    Graeme,
                  Sadly it seems that Rohan anbrose AKA xtreme
 rotaries  is now scaling down his business for whatever reason which
 is a  pity. Brilliant mechanic on rotaries. He actually did my P porting
   and set up my motor, but only now apparently works one day a week
   for himself.  Neil.

    Yeah Neil, I saw that he was available only by appointment and
 that  he was sufffering under the high Aussie dollar. I agree it is
 a  shame as his products turn up on international sites and are well
  reguarded, he obviously has design and machining ability. I do hope
 things  improve for his business, if he can hang in there things hopefully
   will turn around.

    Where are you Neil? got any specs on your engine you'd like to
   share. Thanks Graeme

    Graeme,
                     Thoroughly worth a visit to Darren.  He is
   currently working on a 600HP 3 rotor for some Lancair or whatever.
    Never even asked what PSRU he was to use.  Today he has a bloke
   coming to see about a single rotor. I think he will be very busy.
 I  am in central NSW.  Just google Parkes in NSW, then radio
 telescope,  go a mile NW of there and you have my strip, then
 another mile to  the west again and you have my house, the one with
 the pool.  I  won;t be in it for a month or two, so it will be OK!! Neil.

    Do you guys have Detriot Diesel DD15 or Daimler engines in Oz?
    Darren might adapt the DD15 turbo compound system to  that 600 HP
 3  rotor for lower fuel burn. If Darren does it I will visit.

    Here is a guy in Perth that almost did it but the supercharger exploded
    around 1400
    HP before he got it installed. He was going to adapt a CW R-3350
 TC  blow down turbine.

    Paul Lamar

                 Lost all contact with Detroit after they went to 4 stroke.
    Went to Cummings and now Cat, so unable to help off the top of my
 head.   Cannot recall seeing any Daimler, or are you referring to Mercedes
   Benz of which there are many.  Apparently the blokem that wants 600
   hp wants to race it, so fuel burn will be a non event, just so long
   as it GOES! Neil.

    In theory turbo compound rotary the most efficient internal combustion
    engine of all
    time. It would make an excellent generator.

    Daimler, Detroit, MB all the same international company now. See
 if  there are any 600 HP road train diesels out there with turbo
  compound. I saw a lot of road trains in 2002 in the out back around
  Mount Isa.

    BTW what does your intake manifold look like. Got any pictures
   looking down from a step ladder?

    Paul Lamar

    Paul,
              Oddly enough I don't have a photo from on top.  The two
   runners go into the blue plenum box (moulded in two halves from an
   ice cream container possibly 6 inches square)  at 17 inches each
 and  the intake goes from there to an air filter on top of the air intake
   for the heat exchangers.  Space over the top of the motor was very
   scarce as the thrust line of the motor is high in the glastar.

        There are road trains all around here, so should be no trouble
   to find something with a turbo compound, although I have never
 heard  of one.   Will enquire.  Road trains in NSW are restricted to
 a  double trailer, whereas in Qld they can get up to 3 trailers, and
  the territory runs 4 trailers.  Way back in the 60's they had a
  competition at Bourke to see just how many trailers one tug could
  pull. I have a photo of it somewhere, but it was about 90 plus
 trailers.  Then the WA boys got wind of it and took the record with
 something like 105 trailers.  Not to be outdone the Qld blokes
  retook the record with from memory 112 trailers set at Clifton in
  southern Qld. The tug was a Mack truck.  It had to pull the
 trailers  a few hundred yards. They reckon that the steer tyres
 never touched  the road the whole time varying from just off the
 road to 2 feet off  the road.  I don't know who currently holds the
 record.  I suspect  that it won't be the WA boys for all their
 dollies are now triples  whereas the eastern states still only  have
 the bogies, so, much  less rolling resistance for a competition of
 this nature.  As usual  transport is held back by "experts" who have
 a uni degree and have  never driven anything bigger than a push bike
 and just don't get the  situation here in the "Back country".  All
 this means that trucks  are now running with up to 1200 hp.  Most of
 these are auto g/boxes  for clutches simply can't take the power.
 In here on the inter  state highways they are all around the 600 hp
 dragging b-doubles.  Neil.

      Neil,
                 You probably should probably explain what a "B"
 double  is also tandem and triple dollys because I do not think they
 are  used anywhere else in the world.         I have only seen
 single  trailers, both in the US and in Europe with two axles at the
 rear of  the trailer. Unlike here in OZ where we have up to three trailers
   with the first trailer with three, sometimes four axles, then
   followed by two more trailers with a "dolly" steerable axle at the
   front with two, sometimes three axles, followed by three, rarely
   four axles at the rear of the trailers, mostly all with "dual
   wheels", sometimes single so-called "super single" wheels. So the
   combination could have a total of 82 wheels, with a overall length
   of I think of 56 metres!!!        See link about OZ road trains
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oWkkqMWFmM
           That Kenworth would probably have a 600 plus HP Detroit,
   Cummins engine installed.
          Here in Western Queensland we have up to three trailer road
   trains with two decks of cattle or four decks of sheep on the
 roads.             John Burey.

   In Canada as I understand it goes like this;
  "A" single trailer. Tandem or tri-axle on the trailer.
  "B" two trailers with a dolly under the front of the rear trailer.
  Tandem axle w/dual wheels at the rear. "Super B" two trailers w/ 5th
  wheel on the rear of the front trailer. Frequently tri-axle at the
  rear of the front trailer. "C" triple trailer with dollies on the
  front of the two rear trailers. Single or tandem axles at the
  trailer rears I have seen dollies with tandem axles, but usually single.
  We do have max length limits. Saskatchewan has introduced a longer length
  limit for trucks between Saskatoon and Regina only.
  Tractors to about 600HP as the DD16 has and tandem or tri-axle
  drive. No super single trailer applications allowed, only duals.
  Single axle tractors for urban delivery with reduced weight apps.
  The DD15 and DD16 only available in Freight shakers and Western Stars.

  Dale Davies

  Dale do you think you can find a DD15 and measure the turbo compound
  hardware for me? I want to make a scale 3D drawing mounted on a 3 rotor.

  Paul Lamar

  I am two hours out of Edmonton where there is a Detroit Diesel
 dealer. I may have a contact I can maybe get the info from. Will
 take a few days.

 Dale Davies

 That would be great Dale. What happens to worn out truck engines? Do
 they scrap them or do they rebuild them over and over? Please ask
 him what the new turbo compound parts would cost.

 Paul Lamar

 These new engines are going 1,000,000 miles before overhaul. Many then get an
inframe overhaul at that time. Some do not make it that far and get a rebuild
sooner. If the block is good, no cracks or worn liner counterbores, they get
inframe. If they need machining they are removed. Scrap when too many or bad
place for cracks or a rod goes out the side. I will find out the price for the
TC parts. Will be Canadian so might be high but will give an idea.

Dale Davies



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