http://www.7tune.com/video-ppres-6-rotor-beast-is-alive/
Rob Woods
Paul it's not a slide throttle is it? they look like 6 butterfly's
to me. How would you keep the E shaft together, or can one be made
in one piece. Would windup be a problem as "P" ported should
produce 100 hp per rotor 500 hp at the last rotor plus the extra
from that rotor!! John Burey
All good questions :)
A p-port will yeild 150 HP per rotor at 10,000 RPM if the shafts
lives :) 900 HP!
Paul Lamar
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.388296644556315.103373.208088479243
Rob Woods
http://www.hurleyrotary.com/page.php?currentpageref=6265
"After ten years of development HME are now proud to offer our
multi-rotor engine conversions, the first triple engine was built
three years ago and has been tested by many magazines in the United
Kingdom, Europe and Australia, all of which have been impressed with
the performance and fuel economy. To date 25 engines have been built
for road and racing."
"The turbine smooth and refined performance of the triple rotor
cannot be compared with a ported and tuned twin rotor giving the
same max. power output. For example the acceleration time from 40-60
MPH in fifth gear is only 6.5 seconds as compared to the standard
time of 10.5 seconds = 40% faster, and a 0-60 in a little over 5
seconds while still returning 25 MPG+ motorway driving, and an added
bonus of the triple rotor is the truly magnificent exhaust note. The
engine has excellent low speed torque which makes it very easy town
driving."
"The total weight of the Triple Engine is 315 lbs. together with
carburettor
and
exhaust system, is in fact 15 lbs. lighter that the standard RX-7
engine, with carburettor and exhaust system and is only 4 3/4"
(120mm) longer."
"...for the ultimate in performance
600 BHP Hurley Quad Rotor Engine P.O.A.
900 BHP Hurley Six Rotor Engine Seeing is Believing ! "
Will it cool?
Will that tiny e-shaft diameter at the back end live under high continuous
power?
Will the shaft couplings live?
What do the oil drain backs look like on the other side of the intermediate
housings?
Paul Lamar
Paul,
Looks nice!.... E-Shaft strength and the harmonics going past four
rotors seems to be difficult unless all things were design from the
beginning for that use. I believe in bigger displacement after four
rotor configurations. Very nice looking work on the engine.
Eric Barger
Paul, This thread seems to be mixing two different companies.
Pulse is in Nz and Hurley is in Uk,
In the facebook link above down in the comments there is a
response from Pulse concerning the E-shaft. As I read it they have
bored the shaft out of the e-shaft and splined the bores to
correspond to splines on the shaft and located these parts with
"tappers" which may mean set screws. The counterweights are keyed.
As described there are no shaft couplings. As for strength , the
shaft is a larger diameter than a transmission input shaft which on
a race car can deal with 24 hour races at 900 HP. I haven't found
anything on the oil drain back but it is workable even if the OD of the
stationary gear is used as a pilot by drilling between the mounting
holes for the oil to enter the intermediate housings. There likely
would be some shaft wind up but each rotor is timed with a
stationary gear independent of the other rotors. In my opinion
cooling is hopeless in a steady state condition. There have been
housings converted to parallel cooling but I see no indication of
this modification in either of these engines. Also a stock Mazda
water pump would not circulate enough coolant for parallel cooling
beyond 3 rotors. The video shows a running engine which is unloaded
so it is only making enough power to turn it's own parts, probably
30 HP. As you might recall I was intending to do a six
rotor. The plan is viable in all respects.It would be a standard 3
rotor accessory end coupled to a second 3 rotor on the drive end
which has the removable eccentric modified for a full diameter
shaft. The end housings are dowel aligned mating bell housings. The
housing patterns incorporate all the oiling/cooling and structural
modifications and the waterpump (chrysler hemi) and dry sump pumps
are Nascar belt drive. I have altered the plan back to 4 rotors due
to airframe refinement in X-plane simulations. A four rotor allows
the use of stock RX-8 internals and rotor housings which are 1/3 the
price of 3 rotor parts. Reducing engine weight and fuel weight
significantly reduce landing speeds.
george grimes
If the shaft is not one piece there are couplings :)
Yes I know. I did it on purpose. The e-shaft couplings appear to be
different.
Here is the way CW did it on a four rotor. Makes more sense in many
regards (cooling, tension bolts to name a few) but would require
split intermediate housing. If you are making billet housing that
would be no real problem anyway.
The shaft may not break but one must deal with the flywheel coupling.
Paul Lamar
Looking at sheets 1 and 3, it would appear the e-shaft is one
piece. It also appears that 1 and 3 fire at the same time and 2 and
4 at the same time. with each pair 180* from the other pair. Sheet 3
also shows what looks like a split stationary gear/main bearing
assembly, which is required for the one piece e-shaft.
Dale Davies
The world record holding HP per cubic inch Offenhauser had split
main bearing holders. The crankcase was one peice and the split main
bearing bulkheads were fed in from the end.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offenhauser
"One of the keys to the Offenhauser engine's success was power. A
251.92 cubic inch
(4,128.29 cm³) twin-cam four-cylinder racing Offy with a 15:1
compression ratio and a
4.28125-by-4.375-inch (108.744 × 111.1 mm) bore and stroke, could
produce 420 hp (310 kW) at 6,600 rpm (1.77 hp per cubic inch (81
kW/L). Other variants of the engine produced up to 3 hp per cubic
inch (137 kW/L). Another reason for the engine's success was
reliability; unit construction (no separate cylinder head) meant the
engine was not vulnerable to head gasket or cylinder stud problems
and allowed for higher cylinder pressures."
"Before turbo boost limits, over 1,000 bhp (750 kW) could be
attained using around 120 in Hg (44.3 psi (3.05 bar)) boost."
Paul Lamar
Talking Offys for gear heads.
http://home.earthlink.net/~roygmisc1/startoffy1/startoffy1.html
Thought you people may like this! :-))
Dale Davies
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