Subject: Motor Mount???
From: rotaryeng
Date: 7/29/2012, 11:02 AM
To: AAAA Put this in the To box


 Hello Jeff,
   I have acquired a Velocity STD RG kit.  The airframe is together
 however the previous owner sold the Lycoming engine and mount.  I see
 that you offer for sale a mount plate for the Mazda 13b rotary.  My
 question is: will this mount plate adapt the 13b to the Lycoming engine
 mount?  If not with what mount does it work?  With a bare fire wall and
 the 5 mount points I wanted to send you an e-mail.  I am very interested
 in putting a 13b in my Velocity aircraft can you give me some more info
 on your mounting plate?

 Thank you,

 Jerry Ames

 Paul

 this is your area of expertise....
 jeff

 Jerry, join the email list and I will do a free motor mount design for you.
 Read the web site below.
 http://www.rotaryeng.net/mm-instruct.html

 Paul Lamar


 Hello Paul,
  I have seen these web pages before.  Notice that with the cozy the
 firewall appears
 to be "L" shaped and with a Velocity the firewall is flat.  I am curious
 about the
 front of the engine supporting member.  I see that by your  calculations
 the
 load is
 minimal once the rear of the engine at the re-drive has been stabilized
 however your
 cadd model shows a member coming down to the center of the front of the
 engine.  How
 / where does this mount to the 13b motor and what interference issues if
 any
 are
 there for the belt and pulleys that are on the front of the motor as well.
 I agree
 that the plate made by Jeff is of a superior design concept which is
 exactly
 why I
 contacted him to begin with.  I see that others have used an oil pan
 adapter
 type
 mount for the Velocity...  In my opinion a bad engineering idea to begin
 with.
  So here I am.  Examples of Rotary powered Velocities do exist but do any
 have the
 adapter plate made by Jeff?  If not what do we / I have to do to bring this
 to life??

 Your help is greatly appreciated.
 Thank you,

 Jerry Ames

 My philosophy on brackets is; you over design them because they are small
 and it does
 not add significant weight.

 That was the front motor mount in the case of a pusher. There are several
 ways of
 doing that. Here are a few. We have settled on welding the front mount to
 an
 oil pan
 either steel or aluminum. If you make a custom pan you can add oil capacity
 which
 helps oil cooling on climb out. My 230 HP O-470 has 12 quarts. Most cars
 have only 5.

 A second way of doing it was invented years ago by Power Sport. That is a
 horizontal
 strut mounted to the top of the engine. If you are interested in that I
 will
 send
 pictures and drawings. Both work equally well except for low cowls. There
 is
 a bit of
 a clearance issue with the top strut under the wrap over intake manifolds.

 As far as I know no pusher has Jeff's plate yet but it has only been
 available for
 about a year. Here is a crashed BD4 with an early  version milled by
 someone
 else. It
 survived rather  well compared to the wrinkle in the fuse :) I have now
 gone
 up on
 the diameter of the lower MM tubes to make it stronger for crashing :).

 Paul Lamar


 Jerry, the machine work, and engineering of Jeff's mount plate is first
 rate. You
 will not be disappointed.

 Has anyone found a new supplier for the vibration damping rod ends?
 McMaster-Carr no
 longer carries them.
 C. Smith

 Insulated rod ends are available from midwestcontrol.com .  I got mine
 from
 them as MC Master will not sell outside of the states.  I must be a
 terrorist or something and they are saving America.  Paul what caused the
 crash pictured as it is a rotary??  Neil.

 It is the present U.S. Gov and our communist president  destroying every
 private
 business they can using excessive Gov regulation. I am moving to China if
 he gets
 reelected :) It is ironic that previously communist China is whole
 heartily embracing
 capitalism. Shows just how far out of touch our current president is.

 Over the hill Pilot error attempting a go around :) Also notice  the motor
 mount was
 strong enough to clean the carbon fiber blades off the prop hub. That was
 about at
 least a  600 foot pound torsional load on the motor mount :) We found
 parts of the
 blades 200 feet away.

 Paul Lamar


Paul,
  When designing a mount for a pusher do you take into consideration the
need
to deflect the forward trajectory of the engine assembly from going into
the cabin
in then even of a crash?

roger Paxton

If you hit hard enough for the engine to get past the spar you are likely to get
killed by the impact.

Paul Lamar

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