Subject: Diesel injection
From: rotaryeng
Date: 8/6/2012, 7:32 PM
To: AAAA Put this in the To box


   Hi
   Thanks for quick reply. I am looking at using a single injector only
   as a performance booster on an old diesel motor injecting small
   quantities of petrol. Was going to use TPS to vary injector output,
     4 x pulse outputs off the crank.Thought that the 555 was a good
   place to start playing.
     Scott Pearson
     That should work.
   Most diesel run WOT all the time and the amount power and fuel flow
   is controlled by the TPS. You'll get smoke like at a tractor pull :)
   Make sure you use the CMOS version of the 555.
     Paul Lamar
     Scott,
   re you planning to use gasoline or diesel fuel? Gasoline has a major
  problem
   with the high compression and WILL cause knock. I would use propane or
 CNG
   nstead if that is the case.
   Dale Davies


   Dale


   Have been using 20 % petrol(high octane Approx 105) using wvo(waste veg
  oil) just
   seems to advance ignition on the diesel motor. Thought that electronic
  injection (as
   sorts) would be a bit me precise in volume and injected timing This a
  booster ,not on
   100% of the time. Mate,just playing around to keep the busy and learning
  at the same
   time. love to play with all sorts of different stuff.Any input is taken
  on-board and
   not to have the nose turned up at it, if you know what I mean.
   Thanks In Advance
   scott


   You've got me confused Scott! I too use gasoline with WVO to improve
  starting in the
   Oz winter, but I use the lowest octane I can find to improve the Cetane
  rating of the
   fuel  - in case  you don't know  Cetane rating is the inverse of Octane
  rating.

   As it is timed injection in a diesel it is best carefully mixed with the
  WVO before
   putting in the tank. Yesterday it would not start on 15%  on an 8* C
  morning so I am
   going back to  20%. Mercedes recommend not exceding 30%.

   John Evans


  They probably don't want you to exceed 30% because the gasoline does not
  provide sufficient lubrication to the injector system at greater
  concentrations.

   Mark LaPierre

  That may be the case Mark, I found that info in the manual of an old 300 D
  I borrowed
  years ago. I understand that the pumps have had problems with the reduced
  lubricity
  of low sulphur diesel fuel. On the other hand the excellent  lubricity of
  canola
  would be unlikely to be compromised  by a bit of gasoline when you compare
  it with 2
  stroke oil at the 100:1 mix.

  John Evans

  A few things you might need to know about biodiesel- we run it in our boat
 that holds 1150 gallons.

 Biodiesel is an effective solvent- it will clean your fuel tank quite well,
 and send all of this gunk into your fuel filters. Before changing over I
 would recommend buying a few and keeping them in the vehicle.

 Biodiesel will eat any rubber item such as o rings, fuel lines, etc. Make
 sure these items are neoprene and not rubber. Some older vehicles may still
 have rubber, newer likely won't.

 Biodiesel is organic- and bacteria like it. If your vehicle sits idle for
 more than 3 months, the bacteria will start breaking down the fuel. The
 result is sludge that is difficult to remove, and a general nuisance. The
 solution is to add regular diesel to the bio in increasing percentages
 until it is poisoned sufficiently to keep the bacteria levels down. Also,
 we use an additive in our boats called BioBor that is basically an
 insecticide for diesel fuel. Inhibits the growth of the bacteria and keeps
 sludge down. Not necessary if you always drive the fuel out and keep fresh
 in it.

 As far as cold weather operation- in the winter we use Bio70, which is 70%
 Bio and 30% diesel. Helps cold starting. In summer we use 100% Bio.

 Our boat has Detroit Diesel 12v 71s in it. With the biodiesel she has
 almost no smoke except at startup, doesn't soot the transom like before,
 and if you are running downwind the exhaust doesn't choke you.

 As far as running gasoline in the fuel, I would be wary of that approach.
 My Cummins Diesel truck runs injector pressures as high as 1500 psi, a Ford
 truck 3000. Gasoline under the pressures of diesel injector pumps is an
 explosion waiting to happen. I have split injector lines on more than one
 occasion resulting in a fine mist of fuel spraying in the engine room,
 especially on older engines. We all get tired and that applies to fuel
 lines too!

 Kevin Alderman

 I think we should define our fuels, to me Biodiesel is cooking oil which
 has been
 esterified by the mixing of  sodium- or potassiun hydroxide and methanol
 to chop off
 the glycerine and substitute a methane on the carbon chain, a dangerous
 and messy
 process. This mess then has to be washed out with water. I don't want
 water in my
 diesel:-(

 On the other hand waste vegetable oil (WVO)  is preferably canola oil, but
 is often a
 blend of cotton seed oil, soya bean oil and others.

 Canola is a polyunsaturated oil and like linseed  oil will oxodise to form
 a skin -
 as in paint. It does soften fuel lines and make them swell a bit.

 Animal fats dissolved in the oil can be a problem, so before filtering I
 discard a
 lot of the dregs - they go into cattle feed:-)  If I don't do this they
 will change
 state as the tank cools in our winter - mild. When this happens energy in
 the form of
 heat is needed to change them back to liquid, but if not dealt with they
 can oxidise
 to form a hard tencious mess.

 Viscosity is another problem  with WVO compared with Biodiesel, again heat
 is required.

 I have experienced bacteria growth in diesel fuel, but no sign of it in
 WVO.

 Unfortunately we don't seem to have any chance of running our rotaries as
 diesels.

 John Evans

My comments are related to the biofuel that I run in our boat. The supplier
starts with virgin castle with the intention of making fuel. Due to the
impurities, they do not use wvo. Before we bought 1150 gallons of it, he
and I had a talk about the good, bad and the ugly. All that he could tell
me. To date wd have run this fuel for almost 2 years, going through around
5000 gallons of it. With the precautions I mentioned before, we have no
issues and will continue to use it.
I still think there is some viability to a mixture of maybe 20% diesel in
our gasoline. I might try this before the plane gets airborne.

Kevin Alderman.

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