Chris and Paul,
Here is that chain email I got the other day. Haven't verified the truth
of it, but .....
Van
Subj: Lawyers: why our President "gave up" his law license.
For Your Information.
*Lawyers: Why our president "gave up" his law license. And so did his
"lawyer" wife, too.*
*THIS should be a real eye-opener. …And every statement is backed up by a
link to verification.*
*Make sure this makes the rounds before election day.*
*I knew they had both lost their law license, but I didn't know why until
I
read this.*
This is legit. It can be confirmed at *https://www.iardc.org/* (Illinois
Attorney Registration And Disciplinary Committee). It's the official arm
of
lawyer discipline in Illinois, and they are very strict and mean as hell.
(Talk about irony.) Even I, at the advanced age of almost 65, maintain my
law license (at the cost of approximately $600/year) that I worked so
hard
and long to earn.
Former Constitutional Law Lecturer and U.S. President Makes Up
Constitutional Quotes During State Of The Union (SOTU) Address.
Consider this:
1. *President **Barack Obama, former editor of the Harvard Law Review, is
no longer a "lawyer." He surrendered his license back in 2008 in order to
escape charges he lied on his bar application. *A "Voluntary Surrender"
is
not something where you decide, "Gee, a license is not really something I
need anymore, is it?" and forget to renew your license. No, a "Voluntary
Surrender" is something you do when you've been accused of something, and
you "voluntarily surrender" your license five seconds before the state
suspends you.
2 *Michelle Obama "voluntarily surrendered" her law license in 1993 after
a
federal judge gave her the choice between surrendering her license or
standing trial for insurance fraud.*
3. So, we have the first black President and First Lady - who don't
actually have licenses to practice law. Facts.
Source:
http://jdlong.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/pres-barack-obama-editor-of-the-Harvard-law-review-has-no-law-license/
4. A senior lecturer is one thing, a fully ranked law professor is
another.
*Barack Obama was NOT a Constitutional Law Professor at the University of
Chicago.*
5. The University of Chicago released a statement in March 2008 saying
Sen.
Barack Obama (D-Ill.) *"served as a professor" in the law school -- but
that is a title Obama, who taught courses there part-time, never held, a
spokesman for the school confirmed in 2008.
*
6. "He did not hold the title of Professor of Law," said Marsha Ferziger
Nagorsky, an Assistant Dean for Communications and Lecturer in Law at
the University of Chicago School of Law.
Source:
7. The former Constitutional Senior Lecturer (Obama) cited the U.S.
Constitution during his State of the Union Address. Unfortunately, the
quote he cited was from the Declaration of Independence, not
the Constitution.
8. Video: <
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/03/sweet_obama_did_hold_the_title.html
http://www.breitbart.tv/did-obama-confuse-the-constitution-with-the-declaration-of-independence/
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/03/sweet_obama_did_hold_the_title.html
9. Free Republic: In the State of the Union Address, President Obama
said:
"We find unity in our incredible diversity, drawing on the promise
enshrined in our Constitution: the notion that we are all created equal."
10. Wrong citing, wrong founding document. The promises are not a
"notion."
Our founders named them "unalienable rights." The document is our
Declaration of Independence, and it reads:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
11. And this is the same guy who lectured the Supreme Court moments later
in the same speech?
*When you are a phony it's hard to keep facts straight.
Speaking on the subject of lawyers, and not on Obama... (the content
of that email being virtually impossible to prove or disprove)
I'm of the opinion that all the lawyers on Capitol Hill are a huge
part of our problem. I'd much rather have a congress and oval office
full of average joes with some common sense and basic intelligence
than the band of lawyers turned career politicians that dominate it
these days. Let the supreme court deal with the lawyering. What we
need are people making the laws that understand what the country needs
and what the intent of the constitution, not people who dissect the
'interstate commerce' clause to the point where mean the Feds can
create laws about everything imaginable.
Establish term limits for the Senate at minimum. George Mason "nothing
is so essential to the preservation of a Republican government as a
periodic rotation." If not that, bring back State elected Senators.
That would at least remove one body of them from the influence of
popular vote (the mob). Cap their salary at the mean of the middle
class, and forget about full pay and benefits for the rest of their
lives. "Serving" our country in a political capacity should be just
that... a service. It should not carry these plush rewards. If we
could do these things, we'd virtually eliminate career politicians and
a lot of corruption.
Just my thoughts.
Josh
I'm with you Josh. Here's my solution but would take Consti Amend and it
would never pass. Can't vote till 35 yrs old. One 6 year staggered term
limit for Senators. One 4 year term limit for Congressmen staggered
(unless you only have one Congressman like Wyo) . If the can get
reelected, (ie two term limits), you still have the same problem--actions
determined by reelection campaigns even if only once. Have to take and
pass test on government organizaton and brief test on NON-KEYNESIAN
economics in order to vote (you could still vote Voodoo econ if you choose.
But, have to understand REAL ECON). We don't need more idiots running the
show. Finally, some foolproof voter id (fingerprints?? Big Brother has all
of ours by now anyway for one reason or another) that is only given when
you meet all above requirements. This will cut down on voter fraud.
All that should be easy to get passed, right:-)
Have to get to work. Can't participate in this discussion further. Wish I
could.
Van
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Van, et al
Should have checked your sources!
http://factcheck.org/2012/06/the-obamas-law-licenses/
Now days you need hip boots to wade through the BS on the internet.
Joel
Joel,
You're right about the B.S in the chain mail. There's one going around
about Target that's BS. But, there is no grantee FactCheck is anymore
accurate or unbiased than Snopes. And, the article in your link is not
persuasive. The email doesn't claim there were ever any PUBLIC
DISCIPLINARY PROCEEDINGS (as per Grogan). It says that Obama voluntarily
became inactive IN ORDER TO AVOID SUCH PUBLIC DISCIPLINARY PROCEEDINGS
ABOUT HIS BAR EXAM. Same for Michelle. She voluntarily became inactive IN
ORDER TO AVOID PUBLIC ETHICS PROCEEDING by the Judge for Insurance fraud.
So, Grogan can say there were no PUBLIC PROCEEDINGS against them. That's
true. There would be no record of any disciplinary proceedings. So, he
can claim they did nothing wrong. But, who knows if they did or not. They
probably could have sought to reactivate their licenses based on Illinois
law. But, if the claims are true, had they sought to become ACTIVE, the
Judge could have proceeded with PUBLIC CHARGES against Michelle and the Bar
could have done the same against Obama for cheating. Its like resigning in
order to avoid being fired with public notoriety for stealing from the
office.
You can always claim there were no PROCEEDINGS AGAINST YOU and you can
claim you didn't do anything wrong. You just resigned. But, that doesn't
mean its true.
So, it could be all BS. But, nothing I've seen convinces me it is all BS.
Doesn't matter much. We all know what he is:-)
Van
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