Subject: standard mixture map format
From: rotaryeng
Date: 8/20/2012, 4:39 PM
To: AAAA Put this in the To box


 Henry Nee came up with a great idea. If we standardize on a spreed sheet
 format for
 the mixture map we can share (even across programs). Yours and mine.

 This is the megasquirt format.
 It is broken down into 8 RPM's and 8 manifold pressures.
 Usually EFI programmers interpolate between these values.

 Keven, Please do this. It will help other people greatly.

 The idea is to be able to dump the table to a PC through the USB and
   edit
 it in the
 PC as necessary. Then reload it back into the chip.

 This is how it is done in Megasquirt.

 These are median values so they can go down to zero and up to 255 as
 necessary.
 They are also a function of the injector used. If you find that the
    values
 are all on
 the high side you could go up on the injection pressure or use larger
 injectors.
 Same vice versa.

 Tracy uses two staged injectors per rotor so there could be one table
   for
 each
 injector. The tables only require 65 bytes of flash memory each.

 I am using one computer per rotor.

 Paul Lamar


 Paul,

 You said earlier that the rotary typically uses a fixed 22 deg BTC firing
 arrangement with both plugs firing simultaneously- are the turbo guys
    using
 this setting as well?
 Normally when using higher boost levels, the timing is retarded several
 degrees as boost pressure increases. I was thinking that my timing table
 would have a few more lines than standard to allow for this. As pressures
 go above standard i.e. 31 inches, the timing would progressively be
 retarded. I have read in more than one place that using as little as 8
   psi
 of boost in racing engines requires the timing to be retarded to as
   little
 as 5 degrees BTC. At 8000 RPM this doesn't give much time to burn the
 fuel/air charge, but this setting is selected to prevent pre-ignition.

 Any thoughts?

 Kevin Alderman

    As far as I know they do. They may retard. Are you doing a turbo? It has
 it's advantages if one plug goes out.

 Well what ever you do keep the ign and inj tables the same so others can
 use them.

 I am going to keep it simple and let the CAS fire the 2nd gen ignition
 directly.

 If the computer fails the engine will still run using a small tube into
    the
 intake with a needle valve from a header tank.  Worked for the wright
 brothers :)

 "The Wright Brothers 1903 aircraft piston engine fuel flowed through a
 small metal fuel line from the high mounted tank to the engine.  The fuel
 dripped into a flat, enclosed pan that sits on the top of the engine.
    The
 floor of the pan was hot because it sat over the hot engine cylinders.
 Air
 was drawn into the pan through the air intake, because of the action of
    the
 pistons.  The combination of air being drawn over the fuel and the heat
   of
 the floor of the pan caused the gasoline to evaporate."

 "The fuel flow to the engine was adjusted while the aircraft was waiting
    on
 the launch rail.  When the engine was running as fast and smooth as
 possible the aircraft was ready for launch.  The pilot had a control
   lever
 which was connected to a cut-off valve to stop the engine at the end of
    the
 flight.  The brothers had no throttle or engine control during the 1903
 flights.  The Wright "carburetor" and intake system had no moving parts.
 Without the moving parts, the brothers engine ran at just one speed
 throughout the flights of 1903."


 http://www.rotaryeng.net/simple-cheap-555.html

 Klaus set that up recently and he found it works much to his surprise. No
 carb no
 nothing, nada :)

 Paul Lamar


    I was planning to add another sensor to the factory CAS, 90 degrees from
    the first. Separate boards will read each signal and fire each rotor-
    similar to what you are doing. I have 3 boards- identical except the third
    is equipped specifically to output to Android software. The third board is
    even bluetooth capable, so I dont even have to use usb if I dont want to.

    The OEM CAS turns half engine speed. It has 2 tits on top, and 24 teeth on
    bottom. The sync signal will be firing signal for rotor 1, and RPM will be
    read from the 12 tooth count off of the bottom wheel. Count to 12, start
    over. See how long it took. Do it again.

    The third board is capable of running both rotors if need be, and can be
    programmed to read all of the same inputs and give the same outputs as
    board 1 and 2, again redundancy. The switching might be interesting to
    design, but one step at a time.
    The programming for each  board will essentially be the same, it is just a
    matter of switching over the units in the air when everything else is
   going
    wrong.

    Paul, after you get your boards going, you could port them to the board
    that I have and read them on any android tablet. I am going to work on the
    EFI part first, and then port the output to the Android board so that I
   can
    read it on my tablet. After I get it working, I can send the code and info
    to the group so that any of us can do it. If I can get it to work, this
    board could be wired to read the output of Tracys computer and log
    everything to a tablet that we can use while we fly to see what is going
    on. Everything that Tracys computer is reading, as well as everything it
   is
    saying to the engine too. If my system works as planned, I will be able to
    use the touch screen (in calm air!) to alter the engine while I am flying.

    Kevin Alderman

    I just got my board to blink an LED :)
    Written in BASIC no less. It blinks at the rate of just over 1.5 seconds
    due to the
    built in BASIC delay routine in the test program.

    BTW I have decided to determine the RPM by accumulating a count on one of
    the
    internal timers. If I divide the 10 Mhz (10,000,000) osc clock by 100 I
    get 100K. The
    internal timer divides that again by 12 giving me a count of 8333 CPS.
    At 2000 RPM or 33.333 Hz the 22 degrees BTDC passes every .03 seconds. So
    the 8 bit
    count is 8333 x 0.03 seconds is 249. Just about the 255 limit of the 8 bit
    counter.
    At 8000 RPM or 133.3 Hz or .0075 msec the count would be 8333 X .0075 or
    62.

    In other words the RPM is updated once per rev. Upon TDC the counter is
    read and
    reset to start counting over and the current RPM number is placed in
    storage for use
    by routine that looks up the required injector pulse width in the table.

    There is not much more to the simple program as I will generate the pulse
    width in
    simple hardware. The injectors will also fire at 22 degrees BTDC more or
    less.

    That should give plenty of time to send engine data like MAP, RPM,
    injector pulse
    width and intake air temperature out the USB port to Kevin's computer.

    Once you know the injector pulse widths you know fuel flow so if you have
    a GPS
    module you can calculate real ground speed and real miles per gallon.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NMEA_0183

    "NMEA 0183 is a combined electrical and data specification for
    communication between
    marine electronic devices such as echo sounder, sonars, anemometer,
    gyrocompass,
    autopilot, GPS receivers and many other types of instruments. It has been
    defined by,
    and is controlled by, the U.S.-based National Marine Electronics
    Association."

    ........time.usec...lat............long.....alt ..heading ....speed..
    etc....
 $GPRMC,081836,A,3751.65,S,14507.36,E,000.0,360.0,130998,011.3,E*62

    See GPRMC attachment.


    Paul Lamar


   Sounds good Paul. Are you using the 555 timer to generate the pulse width?
   If so, how are you varying the LC in this circuit to change the timing and
   pulse?

   Kevin Alderman

   Yes. The CMOS 555. I ordered the wrong DAC. So I hope I ordered the right
   one this
   morning. It will arrive tomorrow so by tomorrow night I will know more.
   There are a
   zillion of these things with no two alike. I know the CMOS 555 is OK. The
   beauty of
   it is the 555 can trigger the injector FETs directly. The CMOS 555 has a
   pin that
   controls the pulse width. It is very precise. You store an 8 bit value in
   the DAC
   through one port and then trigger the 555s. Two 555s. One for each
   injector. The DAC
   output goes to pin 5 on the 555. CPU makers ought to build these into the
   chip.
   Another idea years ahead of its time :)

   Paul Lamar

  I wonder if it would make sense to run an engine full throttle (WOT) and
  not activate the fuel injectors for some revolutions.

  For example you could go WOT on takeoff and fly with the injectors only
  fireing every second revolution.

  I think this might have advantages, like a reduction of pumping losses, or
  additional rotor cooling from the charge flow.

  Zoltan


 Sounds about equivalent to the "displacement on demand" type engines
 out there these days.  It would be an interesting experiment for sure.

 Josh


Displacement on demand engines leave the valves closed on the dead
cylinders..  Reduces the pumping losses - the air in the cylinder is
compressed and allowed to expand, but doesn't suffer the loss of
rushing through the ports.  To do something like this on a rotary I
believe you'd need to add an exhaust valve of some sort.


Matt-


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