Subject: Recent flight from Everett to Medford muffler
From: rotaryeng
Date: 9/4/2012, 4:17 PM
To: AAAA Put this in the To box



  This week I flew my RV-4/13BREW from Everett Wa.to MedfordOre.
   and back.Headwinds on the way down were brisk- 30 kts at 8500
   feet onthe way down, but 35 kt tailwind on the way back.The
   engine ran flawlessly but theplane is slow- true airspeed was
   110 kts at 19.5 manifold pressure,5600 rpm oiltemp 161 and
   coolant 170, fuel flow around 8 gpm.

   My prop is a three blade Catto, 72 diax 88 pitch.For one, the
   plane is over propped.I'm going to have CraigCatto cut it down
   a little during the winter maintenance.The other thing is
   that the cooling scoop is effective, but way too draggy, so I'm
   going to re-do it this winter.

   Another issue is my left brake line- I"ve melted it twice. It's
   plastic, and although it is shielded from the exhaust pipes and
   insulated with fiberfrax, I think that heated air from the
   exhaust pipes is being forced out the opening in the cowl where
   the brake line goes to the gear leg.That's where I have found
   the line melted.

   I want to put a reverse scoop near the exhaust
   pipes to get the heated air out of the cowl, and to replace the
   brake line with stainless steel.Everything inside the cowl
   except for the brake line looks OK- I wrapped and shielded
   everything - wires, coolant, fuel,and oil lines.There are
   three NACA ducts bringing air into the cowl to cool the
   alternator, the coils and exhaust pipes, and an exhaust eductor
   to suck air through the cowl and over the muffler.

   Comments?

   Brian Trubee

   Couple of questions.
   EGT?
   Size of throttle body?
   Is the engine ported?

   The manifold pressure is very low.

   Is the air filter plugged? :)
   Are you getting cold air?

   8 GPH is 50 pounds per hour at 6.25 pounds per gallon. At a BSFC of
  .47 leaned that is only 106 HP. At a fuel burn of .5 that is only
  100 HP. If it is really rich and the BSFC is .55 and that is only 90
  HP.

   You need a p-port Brian :)

   Paul Lamar

   Brian,

   As some of you know my Wheeler will be a blend of certified parts
  and experimental parts. I noticed the issues with the nylon brake
  lines long ago. I went to NAPA and bought (8) 12" standard brake
  lines that go on trucks from the hard line to the wheels. I also
  bought a 25 foot roll of 3/32 brake tubing, 24 double flare fittings,
   and a double flare tool.  Total for all of this was $170.00. After
  I got back to my plane, within 2 hours  I had the brake lines made
  up from the master cylinders to the wheels. Galv steel line inside
  the cockpit, 12 inch flex at the master cylinders, at  the turn into
  the wings (mine are removable) one more at the flex point of the
  gear leg, and the last one at the wheel. I don't anticipate melting
  my brake lines. This is the way my Viking was done, and I had no issues
   with
   my 1968 Viking until I blew the Continental up.

   My fuel and oil system will be similar. The materials are
  inexpensive, and the labor is minimal. Cheap insurance.

   Kevin Alderman

   brian,
   This is the blind leading the blind as I have yet to
   depart
   the earth, but tied to a tree I get MP of 22 at 5000 rpm and from memory
    24
   at 5600 rpm.Where are you reading it from?Neil.

   It's been a while since I did any static runs on the ground. I"d
  just be guessing at this point to give some numbers for static running.

   Brian Trubee

    Brian,

    You stated "...my EGT temps- they show up to 2000 at times- and above
    1800 most of the time in cruise."I too experienced very high EGT's
    in excess of 1800* when I was using a muffler that was too
    restrictive.Also, power was way down, but it was quiet.;-)The
    high temps ended up damaging the o-rings and I had to rebuild the
    engine.Since replacing the muffler the egt's have dropped down to
    1600 - 1650* range and power is much improved.I suggest you examine
    and modify or replace your current muffler.

    Mark

   The best muffler for a rotary is 3 to 8 feet long about 4 to 5
  inches in diameter. That gives the lowest aero drag for a given
  silencing. Lowest frontal area. Mufflers work by the exhaust gases
  rubbing on the metal surface losing kinetic energy to skin friction
  and losing heat to the metal surfaces. The cooler the gases in a
  pipe the lower the gas speed. When high speed gas exits a pipe there
  is a sudden expansion that causes the noise. The idea here is to
  cool the gases before they get to the end of the inner pipe.

   The inner tube is best done in .045 Inconnel but there is a trade
  off with thickness. If you make the inner tube 2 inches in diameter
  and use 321 SS make it .065 thick with a bunch of holes drilled in
  it. The outer tube can be .030" thick 321 SS as it will always run
  cooler. Also make the front of the muffler look like this.

   Don't drill any holes for the first 8 to 10 inches. The slip stream
  will blow cooling air down between the coaxial tubes. At the back
  end make the inner tube 6 inches shorter than the outer tube. That
  will act as an ejector to draw cooling air between the two tubes.
  Patent applied for:)

    A 2 inch diameter SS tube .065 thick 72 inches long will weigh
  about 8.8  pounds.

    A 4 inch diameter SS tube .030 thick 72 inches long will weigh
  about 7.50  pounds.

    Here is a dwg.

    A 2.5 inch inner tube and a 5 and 1/2 inch outer tube may give a little
    less back
    pressure for a weight trade off.

    Paul Lamar

    Paul,

   If it is inside the cowl, drag is insignificant.You forgot to consider
   the "UGLY FACTOR".Maybe you could put fins on it and tell everyone
  it is a torpedo.;-)Personally, I don't want an 8' pipe hanging on
  the belly of my a/c.As I recall, the perfect exhaust system is 105"
  in length. But I don't see anyone flying with that type of system either.

   IMHO, the best muffler is a turbo.

   Mark

   Agreed on the turbo.

   It looks better on flat bottom RV's.:)

   Paul Lamar

   It is also easy to say as you have a 48" wide cowl :)

   Paul Lamar

   Yes, I had my reasons for choosing the Lancair ES kit.A 4' wide firewall
   was one of them.

   Mark

   It's around 24 inches on a RV4 as I recall.

   Paul Lamar

   Paul,

   The stock RV-4 cowl has bulges on both sides.Seems those could be
  put to some good use.Maybe an RX-7 oil cooler would fit in one side
  and the intake plenum in the other.

   Mark

   Both Mike and Brian shaved them off since the engine is only 12 inches
   wide not
   counting the plugs. Makes a slick looking cowl.

   Paul Lamar

   Brian,
   On Mazda cars the Racing Beat straight-through muffler works
  well.If you used it in conjunction with and external muffler.... a
  wrapped perforated augmenter tube it probably would be the quietest
 compromise.
    My dad used augmenter tubes on a Grumman Wigeon engine conversion.
  Many parts were taken from a Cessna 310. Barry Bordes

   Paul,

  I had an idea of how I might be able to salvage my tangential muffer.
   First I cut off the down pipe so that I could gain access to the innards.
   Then I took a hammer and punch and opened up the each of the perforations
  by 3 - 4 times the original size (see picture).  There are 8 rows of
  approx. 15 perforations per row.  So I enlarged approx. 120 perforations.
   Finally, I welded the down pipe back in place.  I took it to the airport
  and installed it and did a test run.  It is much, much quieter than
  the DNA muffler I have been running.  So much so that I didn't even
  need to close the cabin door or use the Zulu ANR headset while
  running it. Unfortunately, it is set up for different style EGT
  probes than what I was running on the DNA setup, so I'll have to
  wait for the new probes to arrive to see how this mod affects the
  EGTs.  Power seems better than before, so that's a good sign.

  Mark

 One other thing to do on an experimental exhaust that I can envision is to
 put
 a three or four bolt flange on the outlet to be able to remove the down
 pipe
 for inspection without having to cut and then weld up again. Flanges for
 headers would work and the gaskets are readily available. Safety wire
 required. Minor weight penalty for big saving in inspection difficulty.
 Once
 the design has been well proven, the flanges could be left off further
 builds.

 Dale Davies

Or you could use an inspection camera, which is what I do.  Available from
Harbor Freight for under $100.

Mark


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