Subject: CAS types
From: rotaryeng
Date: 9/11/2012, 5:13 PM
To: AAAA Put this in the To box


  Paul,

  My situation [flex plate failure] was exacerbated by a lengthy period of
 tuning
 issues. Turns out it needed diodes on each of the fuel injectors.  There
 was
  also a problem with the Renesis style CAS, which I later had converted
  back to the stock CAS.  I'm sure the rough running engine didn't help
  the gearbox any.

  Mark

  The RX8 style trigger wheel with one CAS is difficult to handle in
  software over a wide RPM range. It is easier to use two CAS's 180 degrees
  out. The RX8 software must discriminate between 3 different wave shapes.
 It
  takes a very fast processor and maybe an EFI specialised computer chip to
  do that. Or missing pulse hardware.

  Which CAS system did you revert too? The 2nd gen or 3rd gen?

  Tell me more about the diodes on the fuel injectors.
  FET's usually have them built in.

  Paul Lamar

  Paul,

 I reverted back to the 2nd gen CAS... the one that came with the engine.
  My EC-2 was initially set up for the 2nd gen CAS, but I decided to change
 to the newer Renesis "crank mount" style.  Tracy had to "convert" my EC-2
 to work with that system.  After over a year of trying to tune it, I
 finally had it changed back.  It was an improvement, but there were still
 tuning problems.  It wasn't until after Tracy told me about the 3-rotor
 applications needing diodes in the injector circuits (very near the
 injectors) was the problem fixed.  I don't think the diodes are needed on
 the 2-rotor engines, or with the new EC-3 controllers.

 Mark

 That version has two mag sensors. One for the RPM and one for 22 degrees
 BTC. That is
 much easier to deal with in software. I have an early EFI and I will take
 a look at
 the FET's and see if they are the kind with the built in diodes.

 Paul Lamar

 Timers are used in EFI CPU's to interpret the data coming in from the CAS.

 A little background on CPU timers.
 Obviously one of the primary uses of timers is to measure time. Duh :)
 When a timer is used to measure time it is also called an "interval timer"
 since it
 is measuring the time of the interval between two events.
 It will increment by 1 every machine cycle or 921,583 times per second in
 a CPU.
 8000 RPM is only 133 revolutions per second.

 In a 2nd gen CAS there are 24 teeth on the lower wheel but it rotates at
 half engine
 speed. That means there are 12 pulses coming out of the lower mag pickup
 in one rev
 of the engine.

 Times 133 and we get a frequency of 1596 PPS.  That means the timer in the
 CPU can
 easily determine the length of time for one of those teeth to go by the
 lower mag
 pickup.  The resolution of the measurement is 921,583/1596 or one part in
 577.
 More than enough resolution for RPM and we are checking the RPM 12 times
 per engine
 revolution.

 The drawback to this method is the processor is being interrupted 1596
 times a
 second. That is once every  625 usecs. It takes about 2 usecs to complete
 a asm
 instruction so we must get everything that needs to be done in about 300
 instructions. Does not leave a lot of time to send engine parameters to the
 instrument panel display tablet or cell phone.

 Now having said all that I am not sure any given EFI program works in that
 fashion.
 There are other ways of doing it.

 Paul Lamar


I have a pair of these, and my thought was to take a pickup from the second
one and install it 90 degrees from the top pickup in the one that I am
going to use. One will fire one rotor and the other will fire the second
rotor. I may go back to a toothed wheel in the end, but I can put this unit
in my drill and run it at 1500 rpm (3000 rpm engine speed) and check my
firing, injectors, and calculations. I havent checked to see how much
effort it will take to get it in there though:). The bosses for the cover
plate screws might cause me some grief.

Kevin Alderman


That works if you pull the roll pin on the drive gear.

Paul Lamar
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