Subject: America today
From: rotaryeng
Date: 11/13/2012, 4:34 AM
To: AAAArotaryeng


 With the help of Paul and everyone else on this board, I want to try to
 develop first a working installation that can be mirrored to other planes
 that are being built. When someone asks for a FWF we might be able to say
 "no, but we can show you exactly how others have done it and what you will
 need".

 To do this I think we will need a few things- like an adapter plate of
 sorts that will allow the Rotary to replace the Lycoming with the
 dyna-focal mount. Those things are everywhere, and used on many smaller
 planes. This gives the builder the option of swapping out the engine easily
 to or from the Lycoming if he decides to.

   Next, a standard EFI system with mechanical backup. I know from experience
 that the stock Mazda coils will fire from the CAS without an EFI at
 anything over 800 rpm. So given this, with a mechanical fuel delivery
 system we have non-electrical redundancy. I like that. It can be as simple
 as a throttle actuated regulator tied to the standard mixture control like
 we are used to. If the computer goes out, you have a simple leanable
 manuable system. Pilots will not accept our alternative engine without a
 backup system.

 I have heard that each installation is so different that we all are
 reinventing the wheel with each installation- maybe so but not necessary.
 Tom's Lancair is close enough to mine that I should be able to use much of
 his data to speed up my installation. But without a flight to Texas, its
 not readily available to me. Tracy's RV10 20b is functional and simple- but
 the installation details are not out there for the world to see. We need to
 change this.

 I just bought a PSRU with several spare parts. I now have enough materials
 and info to possibly have more input into the design of the more simple
 PSRU unit.

 If we are to get more people flying, we need to reduce the costs of not
 only flying but of keeping an airplane in the air. This starts with an
 affordable airplane from the outset. Affordable airframe, engine and
 avionics. I spoke to a man yesterday at the EAA fly in- he is building an
 RV-7. His budget is 30K for airframe, 40K for engine, and 30K or more for
 avionics. He estimates that it will take him 5 years to save the money.
 What if he could spend 30K on the airframe, 15 on the engine and 5 on the
 electronics? Half price I am thinking.

 I will order a new tablet in the next day or so- it is a cheap unit but it
 has an Intel processor. There is a version of Linux out for ARM processors,
 but I am hoping the current lightweight versions that are already ported to
 an Intel processor will work with the Intel based tablet. The tablet will
 run windows7, which means it isn't an ARM version. Lets hope- this will
 allow our linux programs to work natively on the tablet.

 Also, I am still working on the Arduino board that is ported to Android-
 the plan is this: For a few hundred dollars we can have a good android
 tablet (or 2) on our panels. These tablets will display engine info etc.
 from the EFI board, and allow us to tune our engines from the tablet touch
 screen too. Also, we can run apps such as the Garmin pilot on both units
 giving a backup. There are gyroscopic boards and chips out now that will
 allow us to interface the G reading boards like are in our phones to mag
 chips for direction and gyro chips to confirm our spatial position. The end
 results will be affordable, redundant electronic guidance. And in my case,
 behind the tablets will be the usual compliment of steam gauges including 2
 VORs. I really like redundancy.

 I have said for a long, long time that if you spend all your life chasing a
 dollar, you wont ever catch it. And if you wait for someone else to help
 you, you will be waiting a long time. Its up to us to make our own destiny.
 Nowadays, I give my time and talents to local organizations that need it, I
 help who I can and all without money. We have enough to live on, and I can
 devote time and talent to other things. I am willing to be the front so to
 speak and try to see what I can do but I will need your help to make it
 happen.

 What do you guys think? Can we all work together to make flying cheaper for
 everybody? Can we make flying in the US Open Source?

 Kevin Alderman

Kevin,
  I applaud your spirit and your goal.  But, if the real objective is a standardized,
affordable setup that
folks can buy, understand, and operate, I'd suggest you strongly consider using a
simple carb
setup rather than the EFI.  For a few hundred dollars we can buy a reliable Holley
carb and a leaning
block and be in business:  if the engine is pulling air, fuel will go into it.  Stone
simple.  The EFI
would offer all kinds of nice-to-have bells and whistles, but there are few folks
that want to become
programmers, the costs for high-pressure fuel pumps and injectors are considerable,
and the
controller board and other sensors will require continuous attention. Every link in
that chain is a
 potential failure mode, requiring lots of troubleshooting.  People want an airplane that
flies safely and reliably at low cost--something they can understand.  The EFI technology
will constantly be changing (software and hardware), so whatever you design today is
unlikely
to remain the standard.  Carb technology is mature--that model of carb is probably
not going to
change appreciably from year to year.  We can't say that about any tablet computer or OS.

The homebrew glass cockpit is likely another diversion. G-meters, navigation, links to
GPS, etc:  It's all being done elsewhere and being done well.  If this
effortfocuses<< on
the great potential of the Wankel, and building a well-designed, buletproof, and
iteratively
 improved low-cost standard installation, (or two) using the hard-won experiences of
others,
 it is most likely to be successful and a boon to affordable flight.

Just my two cents.  I understand the allure of EFI, I just think it's likely
inconsistent
with an "everyman's rotary" installation, especially if there's a desire for it to
gain wide acceptance
over many years.

Mark W.i
 		 	   		

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