Subject: Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher October 31 1987... commented
From: rotaryeng
Date: 11/14/2012, 7:56 AM
To: AAAArotaryeng


Paul,
This has nothing to do with rotary engine, but this could have some relation to
freedom, and thus freedom to fly an airplane.
Please, read my post, I don't ask for more.
I don't forget that is your own site of discussion and that you are the only one to
decide what is worth diffusing.

Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, talking to Women's Own magazine, October 31 1987
and my own comments

I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to
understand that if they have a problem, it's the
government's job to cope with it. “I have a problem, I'll get a grant.” “I'm
homeless, the government must house me.” They're
casting their problem on society.

Up to this point I have absolutely nothing to object.

And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women,
and there are families.

This  is the key point and a typical individualist type of opinion : Is an airplane
only a bunch of spare parts? How can pure
individuals  be  concerned  by  their  own  country in any other way than the
consumer one? How explaning (as well as lots of
similar feelings) Patriotism?

To  my  sense  There  are  such  things  as society, and without those things mankind
probably wouldn't have gone through the
terrible  adventures  as  ice  age  or  the great compression. And without those
things mankind will probably not survive the
difficulties to come.

And no government can do anything except through people...

True!  And this is why governing is so difficult... Taking good decision is quite
easy, enforcing them means finding a way to
make  the  people  accept them, and that is the real challenge. This is known for
ages, but no one has ever found the perfect
way to do it.

...,  and  people  must  look  to  themselves  first.  It's our duty to look after
ourselves and then, also to look after our
neighbour.

Again, I have nothing to object to that.

People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations.

True  !  But  it  is  so  easy  for  politicians  to  lie to the people... and for
the (uneducated) people to believe tempting
promises...  And  when  the  people  finally understands that most of the politicians
are liars, democracies face a terrible
problem  :  Even when a candidate is saying the truth, a majority of people don't
believe him (or her), the abstention rate is
high,  and  when  people  cast its vote, it is not to elect the best candidate, but
to repel the worst candidate (at least to
repel the candidate perceived as the worst). In any case there is no more large
popular adhesion to a policy, and thus almost
no way to enforce it.

There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation.

True  again! The political structure of the midle age that lasts 1000 years (not bad
compared to other systems!) was based on
the  close  linking  of  entitlement and obligation. On top of this equilibrium
between entitlement and obligation, this system
gave anybody (even the rather badly considered persons) its place in the society.

Example  #1  :  To  the  executioner  had  to wear red clothes, but to its charge
(that did contribute to cities and markets
safety), did correspond the right to take without paying anything once and only with
one hand from any market stall.

Exemple  #2  :  In  Paris  (13th  century)  the  prostitutes  were given the right to
make their business only in the streets
perpendicular and ending to the river Seine and, in case of fire, they had the
obligation to carry water.

In  other  words  "there  is  no free lunch". But the word "obligation" means
restriction of freedom. And Several choices are
possible :

   If freedom is valued above all, it is fair to say that there is no entitelment to
get from the government. As this freedom
   is  the  bes  environment  for  business  to  develop,  it  is obvious that living
capitalism shall push to this sort of
   government. (No obligation and No entitlement)

But  if  a  crisis  lasts  a  little longer than it should, if structural reasons
(lack of natural resources, overpopulation,
concurrence  of  poor  country workforce) seem to impede business and wealth
production, (poor) people may think that minimum
ressouces  from  the  state are worth some reduction of freedom. (For instance, what
is the right to travel the world and the
seven seas worth to the one who don't have the money to pay a passport fee or even a
bus ticket?)

   Communism  is  the  opposite  of  capitalism  in  the  way  that  it  correspond
to the opposite solution of the equation
   (Entitlement and Obligations).

History  teach  us  that this solution either doesn't work at all if enforced by
violence, or works as long as the population
accepts it. (Israel kibbutz did work well with the fist generation)

But there is a third inconsistent and catastrophic  possibility : Populism.
(Entitlements...)

   Populism  is  the  easiest  way  for  the  long  lasting  liar  polititian.
Promissing  entitlements and never talking of
   obligations; Living on money inflation and increasing debt; Buying votes of the
poor by feeding them;

This  is sustainable as long as the government can live on wealth produced at very
low costs, (by slaves in the Roman Empire,
or  by  poor  people  in  the  colonies, by selling natural ressources like oil in
Venezuela or USSR, one billion of economic
slaves  in  China,  or...  if the money of the country is the unique international
reference i.e. if the value of the debt is
payed by the rest of the world's labor).

But  as  soon  as this source of wealth is dry (second century AD, all slaves in the
roman empire become (poor) citizens, and
then  "clients"  -people  paid  for  their  votes by wealthy senators ; middle of
20th century, European countries lose their
colonies ; End of 20th century th Euro and the Yuan become comparison values to the
US$ ; today the cost of china's workforce
is  increasing  just  because  the  people compares its way of life with what he sees
on TV ) there is a big problem that the
population is not prepared to face. It took 2 centuries to the roman empire to
collapse, 25-30 years to Europe to face a very
high structural unemployment rate...

When  the situation becomes bad, the usual answer of Populist polititians to their
problem is to point an enemy (USA for the
USSR)  or  Chechnya  for Russia... and blame it for all the problems. Of course that
can degenerate into a war, but at least,
that  starts economy again and justifies hard times. With good speeches, the
politician can become the hero of his country, the
"great skipper" or the "little father of the people" !


Finally,  I  would  conclude  that the present president of the USA is not a
communist, but more merely a Populist. The people
that  voted  for  him  is  not so dumb that you suppose. They know that there is no
free lunch. In fact (like the French when
elected  their present president) they did not vote for a candidate, but against the
other one because they believed that the
one they rejected would bring them the inevitable hard times sooner than the other...


Philippe Dejean
In France

I think he is a communist.

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Paul Lamar


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