Subject: EFI and FADEC
From: rotaryeng
Date: 12/22/2012, 5:36 AM
To: AAAA-rotaryeng


 Hey guys, my crazy side visited me last night while I slept and
 planted a seed. Here is what my alter ego said-

 If we are going to end up with a functioning EFI, why not use it to
 set the RPM we want like jet engines do? We could have say 3 or 4
 detents or set points, WOT, cruise, flight idle and ground idle and
 let the engine control the rest of it automatically. No more prop
 overspeeds, etc. Set the RPM at 6000, start a climb and the computer
 would keep the 6000 by adding more throttle. Start a descent, same
 thing but backwards, the EFI would throttle back to keep 6000.

 It would require a servo motor on the throttle, and not much else.
 The throttle cable could still be there for manual over ride if the
 servo motor failed. Kind of like cruise control in cars. Turn it on
 and its on, tap the brakes and its off.

 Kevin Alderman

      Now this sounds like a great idea.  A good way to reduce pilot
 work load     at high load moments.

      - Mark LaPierre

 I am not building an RV, so flutter is not one of my primary
 concerns, but it is always a potential problem.  I am building a
 composite, and reinforced the dickens out of the tail/ fuselage
 intersection and spent way too many hours balancing my control
 surfaces.  The overspeed (RPM) came from observing students at the
 local flight school where I rent planes.  I have noticed that quite
 a few pilots will overspeed an engine in emergency situations- like
 practicing emergency descents- they tend to push the nose down and
 then sometime after worrying about Vne figure out that the engine
 has passed redline.  Not an everyday event, but it does happen in particular
 with a carbed Cherokee P28-140, poor abused plane.  One student at
 the school has locked the brakes twice on this plane on landing and
 once on the 172 to the point of blowing out the tires on the runway.
  The wheel pants have been gone for a while.  Not that this idea
 would be for students, but we have the system, all that would be
 needed would be a servo motor, a controller and a few more lines of
 code.  And just like cruise control, any pilot input would over ride
 the system.

 As I get more toward completion of my toy, I will put some more
 thought into this.  Since performance will vary with each plane, the
 RPM would be programmable by the owner in say 4 places.  Pull from
 WOT to the first detent and then she goes into flight cruise mode
 with auto leaning to a point say 10% rich.  You can further lean if
 you like, or maybe normal cruise mode would lean to peak EGT after
 finding a way to read it.  The next detent is cruise descent, the
 next could be flight idle.  All of this could be managed with
 microswitches at the detent points.  Spend say 4 seconds at the
 detent and the system takes over automatically.  Move it from the detent
 and its all yours again.

 My OCD nature will push this thing straight to a FADEC, so I might
 as well look at it this way from the beginning- if the other sensors
 aren't there the system can compensate for it and let the pilot do
 the leaning, adjustments, etc.

 I will keep you posted. In the meantime, throw ideas at me and I
 will see how it can go into the system.

 KA



 I see no reason that an automotive cruise control could be adapted to fly the
planes RPM. You just need to adapt the speedometer cable drive. I forget the
speedo cable RPM at 60MPH. You would want to shoot for that cable RPM for your
flight conditions, 6000RPM. Simple toggle switches for set, resume, increase
and decrease the same as in your car. It is winter now. Probably a good time
to disable your wife's cruise before she hits ice and wrecks the SUV anyway.
OOPs, I think I stepped in it now  :-))).

Dale Davies

One of the clues when flying in IMC without a attitude gyro or a failed gyro and
a non constant speed prop is the RPM increases while diving. A good thing
as it helps the pilot to maintain a level attitude.

The early V Tail Doctor Killers (AKA Bonanza) would pick up speed fast
in a dive. (Constant speed prop). The AC was very clean aerodynamically.

Then the aircraft would exceed VNE and the V tail would flutter and come
off. The next thing that would quickly happen is the AC would pitch down to
90 degrees. The CG was well forward of the center of lift. This is normal but
the down force on the tail normally holds the nose up.  The G forces
were enormous. This would severely overload the wing spar causing aircraft
break up. The high G forces on the people inside probably spit them out through
the cabin roof.

The wing area is 177 square feet. Dynamic pressure at 250 MPH is
160 pounds per square foot. That is a down force on the wings of
28,000 pounds. About 9.6 G's. The seat belts or seat mounting probably
could not stand 9.6 G's.

Beech Craft eventually figured it out and retrofitted a tail beef up.
http://www.tsgc.utexas.edu/archive/general/ethics/vtail.html


Paul Lamar


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