Subject: 80Hp rotary from Austro Engine
From: rotaryeng
Date: 1/22/2013, 11:50 PM
To: AAAA-rotaryeng


 Hello,

  From today's AVwebflash:
  http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/2414-full.html#207980

 "Diamond Aircraft's Austro Engines has bench tested a new dual
 FADEC-controlled rotary aircraft engine, the AE80R, that aims to match a
 weight of 60 pounds with a power output of 80 hp. The engine has been in
 development for more than two years and builds on Austro's experience
 with the AE50R 55-hp rotary engine but has differences in its internal
 design that incorporates a "no loss lubrication system."

 AE official release:
  http://austroengine.at/en/news-und-press

 If engine is fine and price is right... this is going to be the new
 Rotax?

 Cheers,
 Petri


 "Diamond Aircraft's Austro Engines has bench tested a new dual
 FADEC-controlled rotary aircraft engine, the AE80R, that aims to match a
 weight of 60 pounds with a power output of 80 hp. The engine has been in
 development for more than two years and builds on Austro's experience
 with
 the AE50R 55-hp rotary engine but has differences in its internal design
 that incorporates a "no loss lubrication system." The new engine is
 targeting the LSA and ultralight aircraft markets, and may also see
 use in
 unmanned aircraft. Austro Christian Dries, chairman and owner of Diamond
 Aircraft, which owns Austro, says the new engine "has no vibration" and
  is a
 good fit for weight-sensitive small aircraft."

 "According to Diamond, the dual FADEC system will keep fuel
 consumption at
 its lowest possible limits and the engine oil system will result in
 extremely low oil consumption, maximizing its efficiency. Austro Engine
  last
 summer pursued airframe manufacturers other than Diamond, seeking
  potential
 matches for its diesel engines, which it sees as a growing segment in
 European aircraft markets. The company already offers diesel and rotary
 style engines. Austro's recent production of AE50-series rotary engines
  has
 been close to 125 engines per year."


 They are making a lot of claims but they are not telling us how they
 are doing it. Hopefully they did away with charge cooling.

 Paul Lamar

  Hi Paul,"no loss lubrication system."indicates oil cooled rotors,
  does it not?Charge cooled rotors limit power because of limited cooling
  and charge heating.Might be ok when the competion is two strokes.Not
  used engine stand yet.

 Murry

  Right! Charge cooling limits continuous HP but these are not charge
 cooled
  engines. I made a mistake. Cooling air is pumped through the rotor to
 cool
  it as 400 engines have been sold for motor gliders. 125 a year. The BSFC
  is .52 which is notas good as the Mazda at .47. I suspect that
 cooling blower
  is sucking downabout about 8.5 HP. It is relatively simple and cheap.
  The other thing about these engines is they use a needle roller rotor
 bearing
  and that limits the RPM to about 6000. A pressure fed bearing with oil
  cooling should rotate at least as good as the Mazda 11,000 RPM.
  That means more HP and a better power to weight ratio.

  Paul Lamar



 Paul,

 EAA chimed in as well;

http://www.eaa.org/news/2013/2013-01-15_austro-tests-AE80R-rotary-engine.asp

 So many questions...

 1. What is their definition of a"no loss lubrication system"

 2.Is it a spin on the 2-stroke type total loss AE and so many others
 have used, i.e. are they recovering some, yet some
 is burned? Or is it more like the Mazda system with a pan and pump.

 Also from EAA's article; "The crankshaft of the new engine also uses
 pressure oil lubricated slide bearings instead of ball bearings used
 in the
 AE50R.  The AE80R descends directly from the AE75R (liquid and forced-air
 rotor cooled), but the new engine features only an oil / liquid cooling
 system."

 3. What is their definition of a slide bearing?

 4. I.E is this a plain old plain bearing?

 5. Does this also mean they got rid of a bearing on the eccentric for
 the rotor?

 6. If they have gone the route of the Madza for total cooling, does
 this close the door on the Garside Charge Cooled Blower type set up.

 7. I am also curious if they are doing something else to get rid of
 the heat , is their some other magic going on to
 reduce friction ( i.e. like many racing programs have done) , i.e.
 Cryogenic dipped Cranks, Isotropic Finishing, WS2
 coatings?


 My best,
 Anthony


 Good work for finding this info.
 1. Sounds like a oil pressure lub system.
 2. Previous engines mixed oil with the fuel to lube the roller bearings.
 3. I can't read their mind but my guess is plain journal bearing :)
 4. Sounds like it.
 5. Roller bearing was done away with. The right thing to do.
 6. Possible.
 7. A lot of that stuff is BS :)

 DLC is used by Mazda on the RX8 corner seals and in Form 1 cars.

 From the DLC patent:

 "A process is disclosed for generating a wear-resistant, diamond-like
 coating on a substrate , as well as a wearing part provided with such
 a coating, for example in a textile machine. Although the diamond-like
 coating is quickly and economically produced, it adheres well to the
 substrate. A uniform quality over the area exposed to wear is obtained
 with this process, as well as a wearing part provided with this
 coating. In a plasma-enhanced chemical vapour deposition process of
 the coating layer from a gaseous atmosphere in a reaction chamber, the
 deposition atmosphere is excited by electromagnetic radiation, and an
 electric bias voltage is generated between the substrateand at least
 one ground electrode . The disclosed process is characterised in that
 the substratesare arranged in such a way that as many as possible of
 the field lines between the substrate and the ground electrodes
 perpendicularly cross the surfacespanned by the arrangement of the
 substrates or the field linesextend perpendicularly to the spanning
 surface at the end closest to the spanning surface."

 I am going to Europe in May so I might stop at the factory and
 ask questions and take pictures.

 Paul Lamar

 Paul, Thanks.

 Why is getting rid of the roller on the eccentric a good thing? I have
 read where OMC had to go to silver plated cage ( my guess is to prevent
 galling ) because of heat and other issues.

 I look forward to your reply,

 My best,
 Anthony

 The small diameter needles are really zingging along RPM wise.
 Large needle bearings do not like high RPM. Previous to now Austro
 engines was selectively fitting needle rotor bearings.
 That was expensive and limited the RPM and HP to weight ratio.
 The much bigger Mazda will turn 11,000 RPM with journal bearings.

 That was the Achilles heel of the Rotomax engine's as well.

 I am amazed it took them this long to figure it out :)

 Paul Lamar


 Aluminum cylinders have been electroplated with "nikasil" which creates a
very hard surface that also facilitates good lubrication.  High sulphur
content in low quality gasoline gradually erodes this coating and causes
compression to suffer greatly, and ultimately engine failure.  However,
nowadays the sulfur content is much lower [gone even] in mogas, and
high-end car makers still use nikasil.

This makes me wonder if nikasil might
be a viable consideration for those who desire to fabricate their own engine
components [talented folks like George Grimes, Richard Sohn, and others],
and for those of us who would LUV to pay one of those titans to custom make
rotor housings ala Beckham superlight engine, or whatever.  Anyone have any
thoughts?

Gene Kahn

Nikasil is not a plating process.

http://tinyurl.com/aju32du

"The wear-resistant coating, which preferably is of an iron-based or steel
alloy, is applied by one preferred method to the inner wall of a cylinder in
an aluminum alloy engine block by positioning a transferred arc torch within
the cylinder, striking an arc between the torch and a consumable rod, made
of an iron-based alloy or other comparable composite material, such that the
arc end of the rod melts, rotating the rod to eject a diametral spray
pattern of molten droplets from the arc end of the rod to the cylinder inner
diameter, and translating the rod and the torch generally along the central
axis of the cylinder such that the ejected droplets impact the wall of the
cylinder in a molten state to form an evenly distributed coating on the
cylinder."

It is hard to do on a non cylinder. Only Maule has been successful
on rotaries.

Paul Lamar


No loss oil system, could this be referring to the apex seal lube oil that normally comes from the sump oil?
 Graeme Riley

The earlier engines did not have a sump. The oil required by the
roller bearings came from oil mixed with the fuel.

Paul Lamar

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