Subject: coupling welded version major clitch.
From: rotaryeng
Date: 6/9/2013, 5:43 AM
To: AAA-rotaryeng


The aluminum billet version was  getting expensive. The material
alone was $66. I know I just bought some  today. I had to pay $16
just to have it cut to length.

Then I was  having trouble finding suitable 10 mm 1 mm pitch metric
screws. I never  found any I was completely satisfied with. Making our
own was getting  expensive.

The welded version can use the stock 10 mm 1 mm pitch bolts  as it is
only .125 thick which can replace the stock clamping  plate

The light really went on when I thought of welding the walls directly
to the steel spline plate.

No bolts or screws needed to  bolt the spline plate to the coupling.
The spline plate is half the  coupling.

Nothing could be easier or simpler.

The walls are  rectangular .75" by 1.5" 4130 tubing from Aircraft
Spruce. I have some in  stock.


There must be only three walls because there are six 10 mm  bolts.


Here is what it looks like. It fits the stock 2 rotor flex  plate but
does not stress it. All torque is transmitted by the six 10 MM
bolts.


I will weld one up and send it to you for testing  Mark.

Paul Lamar

What amazed me is the coincidences. The  rectangular tubing just
happened to be the right dimensions. There are  only two choice's
from aircraft spruce. 3/4 by 1 1/2 is one of them. This  leaves plenty
of room for a couple of needle thrust bearings between the  spline
plate and the gear box adapter plate.

BTW asymmetric rubber  bushing might work out to be the best
configuration. Most of the rubber on  the compression side. The acid
test will be the lowest engine RPM that  does not cause resonance.
That does not mean it is not mitigating  destructive torque pulses at
higher RPM's. The kind that shear bolts and  pins.

Paul Lamar

Carrie Beasely was right. Powdered metal. I  won't weld to powdered
metal. Back to 2 pieces 4130 sheet metal. Hard as  heck. I ruined a
band saw blade on it. It came with all this stuff inside  for $37.
Hack saw in the lathe does not work well.



Schabs Parts 12715 old plank road New Lenox Il  60451

Paul Lamar


This fixes the clitch. New 4130 welded  sheet front coupling. The 4130
2.75" OD tube .120" wall
clears the big nut  and keeps the rubber from getting chewed up by it.

This is what I will build. No welding to  the powdered metal spline plate.
Separate 4130 front coupling  weldment.

Paul Lamar

4130 heat treats itself to file hard in still air if over heated. Do not
use abrasive saws to cut the pieces. Use a bit of oil and go  slow
in the band saw and all is well. Welds in 4130 should be drapped
with ceramic cloth to cool slowly. Small parts  dropped into a Lime
box (Metal) to cool slowly. In thicker sections think about preheating
the pieces before welding and then cover to prevent local air movement
from chilling the welded area. If a 4130 or similar part fails right beside
a weld bead, it may have cooled to quickly.

You can salvage an abrasive cut piece by reheating to dull red then
standing in a Lime box until cold. Then you can  use regular tooling
without damage. The Lime box needs a course screen above the  bottom
to keep pieces from touching the bottom. Lime is a poor conductor of
heat, so cooling takes a long time. Never quench welds in  water,
or with a wet rag. A good idea if you do not know the material at hand
even if it turns out to be 1010 or 1020 steel.

Lynn E. Hanover

It was not 4130 I was cutting and ruined the saw blade.

It was powdered metal.

What does that do when you cut it with abrasive?

People tell me it can be welded but it has to be done exactly
right. I am not willing to risk doing it wrong.


BTW it is getting better. It deflected more than I expected before
it cracked. My guess is about 5%.  I can see why it is getting very popular in the auto industry. A very complicated part can be mass produced  very cheaply compared to machining it out of high strength material.

http://www.pmdatabase.com/global/guidelines.htm

"Effect of Density the density of PM parts varies according to the pressing pressure used. It is also affected by some of the other processing parameters. It is important to recognize that, in addition to mechanical properties, some key physical properties are also affected by density. For example, elastic modulus and thermal conductivity increase significantly with increasing density; Poisson's ratio and thermal expansion also increase, although more slowly. "

"Apparent Hardness * because of differences in structure, gross indentation hardness values (Rockwell or Vickers) of wrought metals and PM materials cannot be compared directly. The indenter penetrates further into the porous PM structure, thereby giving a lower hardness value than the intrinsic hardness of the metal itself. Hardness values for PM materials, therefore, when obtained on macro-hardness testers, are referred to as "apparent harness" and represent the combined effect or porosity and the metal particle hardness. For example, a heat-treated PM steel may measure an apparent hardness of 30 Rockwell C while the actual material measures 54–58 Rockwell C. "

Paul Lamar


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