Subject: Damper Pics 3
From: rotaryeng
Date: 7/1/2013, 10:16 AM
To: AAA-rotaryeng



Paul,
  I went out to the airport today to see how much I could accomplish on the
flexplate damper project.  I found some .090 silicone sheet and cut enough
pieces to do 1/3 of the damper.  In the process I discovered some things I
hadn't anticipated.
  First, the 6, 10mm counter-weight bolt heads stick up 3/8".  The three
paddles from the spline plate are short enough to miss the bolts, but that
renders the last 3/8" of depth useless for damping purposes, but you
already knew that.
  Also, the three paddles on the engine side are shortened, I assume to
     clear
the bolt heads needed to attach the spline plate.  So, another 1/4" of
unused space.  That leaves a space of 1" to pack in enough silicone sheet
to handle 350 hp.  I'm not sure silicone is up to the job.
  Do you have anything in mind to fill in the gaps caused by the bolt heads?
   I was thinking of cutting spacers out of 3/8" phenolic sheet for the
engine side, and 1/4" phenolic sheet for the psru side.  This should keep
the silicone sheet in place.  Comments?
  As for the silicone sheet, I feel that .090 is too thin for this
application, but that is all I had on hand.  A quick ebay search revealed
some 1/2" silicone sheet for $81 (1/2" x 36" x 12").  That should be
     plenty
to do a few dampers.  Or, do you think we could cast some dampers?  (Just
     a
thought.)
  Mark



Well if we can come up with a low height spline plate
     bolt head we can lengthen the paddles on the engine side.
I had already thought about the 10 mm bolt heads. I figure we
     could glue silicone sheet in there to act as a spacer. It would
     not be subject to compression. Plywood would also work. So too
phenolic as you suggest or fiberglass.
  Lets try the .090 on a ground run to get a feel
     for the situation. Try idling the engine below 1800 RPM
     to see what happens. I'll fly out for the test.
  Looks like we can make the paddles on the gearbox side
     wider. See damper10-mod.jpg 1/4 inch is no problem
     if you think that will fit.
Some modeling clay in there without the rubber
     will reveal a lot.
If you want something changed to fit better let me know.
     2 7/8th or 3 inch tube might be better than the 2 3/4
     that is in there now.
Paul Lamar

  Paul,

  For test purposes, we could weld some .125" or .250" thick strap to the
  outer face to see how it works.  We could radius it if too tight.

  Mark

  I meant 2 3/4 " Inch tube.

  I am am not sure I follow you on this. Make sketch on paper
  and scan it in. Or use MS Paint. Strap rolled up to
  increase the outer diameter of the tube? Hard to do :)

  Get back to me after the clay and I will send you a front (gear box
  side) with a larger tube. I think I have some 3 inch OD
  4130 tube lying around.

  BTW glue those silicone parts together with red RTV.


  Paul Lamar

Here is what it looks like with a 3 inch inner tube and socket
head metric 10 mm bolts. I think this is an improvement but
we can still test what we have. This is a minor change in the
over all scheme of things.

Paul Lamar

Paul,

Are you guys using one-part RTV, out of a tube?  Two part RTV silicone is available and is
designed for casting & molding.  It's available in different shore hardness' and can be
modified with fillers.  Dow corning is a good source; I've sourced rubber from them before
and there are other suppliers.

Steve Brazil

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