Subject: UAS engines?
From: rotaryeng
Date: 2/11/2014, 8:36 AM
To: AAA-rotaryeng




http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/AW_09_09_2013_p12-609055.xml

 “The quest for a small UAS engine that burns diesel or JP-5 fuel rather than aviation or automotive gasoline has been underway since the 1980s. The latest bump in this long road was the acquisition in July of Thielert, manufacturer of the diesel engine for the U.S. Army's MQ-1C Gray Eagle UAS, by China's Avic.

This has forced the Army and General Atomics to adopt Lycoming's DEL-120 diesel—an engine that Lycoming did not show at Auvsi, instead bringing its smaller, 63-hp EL-060 (a spark-ignition multifuel two-stroke). One question is when the new DEL-120 will be able to attain the time between overhauls needed for UAS use. The Thielert engine became notorious in the personal-aircraft market for frequent and expensive inspections and overhauls.”


Marc Wieie

 The Thielert is an econ box car engine from Europe.
What do you expect ? :) Miracles? :)

Paul Lamar


Paul,

Years ago driving 18 wheel diesel trucks, we put additives into diesel fuel to keep the engine performing in extreme cold. Question, in nations where diesel is available and very little aviation gasoline, could an additive be used in diesel so it could run in a Wankel Engine set up for gasoline.  Paul have you heard of anyone that experimented with fuel treatments to burn diesel or is its flash point to low ?

George Curtis


Why do that? You can get car gas all over the world.



Paul Lamar


    Paul, Just reading in various places that gasoline is unavailable at airports in some foreign nations.  Was reading the above post, and thought back to my days driving big rigs, and wondered if diesel could be burned in a wankel set  up for gasoline.  Also remember reading how some group studied using all kinds of fuel in Wankel Engines, but never saw the out come of that research anywhere.
 George Curtis

Hire a taxii and go into town and get some gasoline:)

I fail to understand the fascination with smelly and carcinogenic diesel fuel.
Back in the early 30's Packard diesel aircraft engines made the pilots sick.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packard_DR-980

"The Packard DR-980 is an American nine-cylinder  air cooled aircraft Diesel engine first certificated in 1930. The engine was unpopular despite its economy and reliability due to the unpleasant nature of its diesel exhaust fumes and considerable vibration when running; approximately 100 were built."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_diesel_engine

"Entering service in the early 1930s, the two-stroke  Junkers Jumo 205  opposed-piston engine  was much more widely used than previous aero diesels. This engine proved unsuitable in military applications and subsequent German aircraft engine development concentrated on gasoline and jet engines."

A couple of weeks ago I was in NZ watching them replace the gear box on a Thielert.
Diesels are hard on gears and props due to the sharp explosions.

Paul Lamar



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