Subject: UAS engines?
From: rotaryeng
Date: 2/11/2014, 2:34 PM
To: AAA-rotaryeng




http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/AW_09_09_2013_p12-609055.xml

 “The quest for a small UAS engine that burns diesel or JP-5 fuel rather than aviation or automotive gasoline has been underway since the 1980s. The latest bump in this long road was the acquisition in July of Thielert, manufacturer of the diesel engine for the U.S. Army's MQ-1C Gray Eagle UAS, by China's Avic.

This has forced the Army and General Atomics to adopt Lycoming's DEL-120 diesel—an engine that Lycoming did not show at Auvsi, instead bringing its smaller, 63-hp EL-060 (a spark-ignition multifuel two-stroke). One question is when the new DEL-120 will be able to attain the time between overhauls needed for UAS use. The Thielert engine became notorious in the personal-aircraft market for frequent and expensive inspections and overhauls.”


Marc Wieie

 The Thielert is an econ box car engine from Europe.
What do you expect ? :) Miracles? :)

Paul Lamar


Paul,

Years ago driving 18 wheel diesel trucks, we put additives into diesel fuel to keep the engine performing in extreme cold. Question, in nations where diesel is available and very little aviation gasoline, could an additive be used in diesel so it could run in a Wankel Engine set up for gasoline.  Paul have you heard of anyone that experimented with fuel treatments to burn diesel or is its flash point to low ?

George Curtis


Why do that? You can get car gas all over the world.



Paul Lamar


    Paul, Just reading in various places that gasoline is unavailable at airports in some foreign nations.  Was reading the above post, and thought back to my days driving big rigs, and wondered if diesel could be burned in a wankel set  up for gasoline.  Also remember reading how some group studied using all kinds of fuel in Wankel Engines, but never saw the out come of that research anywhere.
 George Curtis

Hire a taxii and go into town and get some gasoline:)

I fail to understand the fascination with smelly and carcinogenic diesel fuel.
Back in the early 30's Packard diesel aircraft engines made the pilots sick.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packard_DR-980

"The Packard DR-980 is an American nine-cylinder  air cooled aircraft Diesel engine first certificated in 1930. The engine was unpopular despite its economy and reliability due to the unpleasant nature of its diesel exhaust fumes and considerable vibration when running; approximately 100 were built."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_diesel_engine

"Entering service in the early 1930s, the two-stroke  Junkers Jumo 205 opposed-piston engine  was much more widely used than previous aero diesels. This engine proved unsuitable in military applications and subsequent German aircraft engine development concentrated on gasoline and jet engines."

A couple of weeks ago I was in NZ watching them replace the gear box on a Thielert.
Diesels are hard on gears and props due to the sharp explosions.

Paul Lamar

Paul,
   I heard/saw one of those stupid Thielert twins going overhead the other day and it sounded like shit (shittier than usual), I heard on the grapevine that it has shagged ANOTHER engine/gearbox. Why do people even contemplate diesel engines for aircraft, it's got me beat it is a non event !!! unless they want to die of cancer of course.


By the way I got the steel for the gear box yesterday, cost $170. Couldn't get 4130 tube of sufficient wall thickness so am going to bore it out of solid 4140 on the trusty old Colchester lathe.

p.s. wrote off the  Escort Van the other day, some idiot pulled out in front of me and I T boned him big time, I am OK though, will have to finish off the other one now, his insurance is paying for everything, so it's all good.
    Chris.

That will work. Get yourself a big old inch and a half drill bit :)
Make one for Neal.

Paul Lamar


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