Subject: My FWF design so far
From: rotaryeng
Date: 4/12/2014, 6:13 AM
To: AAA-rotaryeng


 Paul,

 You have sent me several things in the past and I down loaded one of the
 models from your site and this is what I have come up with so far(see
 attached). It's pretty rough but I wanted to make sure i wasn't heading
 down the wrong path before i got too far. Your comments and suggestion
 are welcome.

 This btw is for an aircraft I have designed and am currently building.
 It's a small single seat sport plane. Kind of a mini fighter plane.

 A few points of interest:

 1. I plan on using your universal motor mount kit so the spools at the
 firewall will be going away. If you could add those components(rod ends)
 to the drawing I would appreciate it.
 2. I obviously came up with my own adapter plate modified from the
 Jeff's plate in the drawing I had along with the motor mount attach
 points that I came up with by looking at the drawings you have been
 doing of the Mike Collier LongEz. I rotated the starter 20 degrees
 around the e-shaft from where it is located on the Jeffs plate. Not
 sure if it is a sound design so your comments would be welcome.
 3.Intake runners for the p-port. I just adapted the ones from the model
 I downloaded slightly but don't know if the length is ideal or not.
 There is plenty of room in the cowling to make them longer if need be.
 4. Heat exchangers.
 a. The oil cooler is on the side of the engine and i used the
 dimensions for the stock Mazda oil cooler that Tracy mentioned in
 his conversion manual.
 b. The water heat exchanger mounted under the engine is a custom
 size with 600 cubic inches of volume. It is a little less that
 your model but I hope it is adequate.
 5. The alternator and it's position came from your model. Obviously
 there is significant conflict with the motor mount and oil cooler, but
 there is plenty of space above the engine for it but I don't know how a
 bracket could be made so if you do that would also be helpful.
 6.Not drawn in yet are the induction intake and a few scat tubes that
 will cool the alternator and the muffler. I'm guessing that is why
 there is a tube in the middle of the muffler is for cooling. I also
 plan on having some air passing through the cowling to carry away some
 additional heat.
 7. Thankfully there is still a lot of empty space in the cowling for all
 the other stuff that will have to go in there.


 Please let me know what you think.

 Thanks,

 Will Aldridge

 Looks good. You will need longer intake pipes as this is tunned too high
 for 2.85:1 GB. 18 to 20 inches
 is about right. However if your GB is over 3:1 they are about right.

 Paul Lamar


 Also Will, I would suggest you do away with the internal muffler
 as it will cause problems with the uni motor mount and will not be
 quiet enough. Put an open on the bottom air cooled tunnel down the
 center of the bottom of the aircraft and use a coax
 muffler. The pilot can sit on the tunnel
 with the rudder pedals on each side.

 Paul Lamar


Paul,

This plane is very compact and believe me when I say there is no room for a tunnel between the pilot's feet, and I have designed the load paths in the plane so the bottom skin (foam/fiberglass sandwich) carries the engine loads directly to the main spar and adding a tunnel would compromise that. So I'm pretty much committed to the basic muffler design shown.


As far as the motor mount goes, is the way I have the ends of the steel tubes so far apart the problem or is it a heat issue or something else?

You mentioned runner length and the gearbox in your first reply.  This plane I think would be fine with 150 hp but I'm guessing I'll have north of 200 with the setup I've drawn. I'm not concerned about getting more power so if a 2.85:1 psru is more advisable then that's what I'll go with.  I also have a small fuel capacity so if the 3.17 gear box will burn more fuel then I'm definitely interested in the lower ratio.

I know with the muffler I have drawn in I will cost me some power but as I said I've got more than I need so that doesn't bother me.

Will

The fuselage is 27.5 inches wide so that is normal for a tandem cockpit.
My shoulders are only 20 inches across and I am not small.
Unless of course you are a really big guy :)
The tunnel only needs to be six inches wide and six inches tall.

I am sure the seat is at least six inches or taller as other wise the pilot would
not be able to see out.

The tunnel will enhance the structural strength. It will decrease the tendency to buckle.
I would also make it out of metal as you will need some metal down there to protect
the composite from exhaust heat.

The P47 had a large tunnel for air ducting as the turbo charger was
in the aft fuselage.

It is not just power. The fuel burn (BSFC) is lower at the torque peak. With 18 to 20 inch intakes the
torque peak is at 6,000 RPM. If you intend to cruise the airplane at a lower RPM than
the intake runners should be even longer. That will reduce the top HP. You have plenty of
room for longer runners.

The fuel burn is also a function of the back pressure
in the muffler.

The structural integrity of the universal mount depends on the tubes converging to a point
in space close to the motor plate.

Apparently you are making a trade off for styling. That is something they used to do in cars :)
Now all cars are beginning to look likethe Toyota Prius  because that has the lowest drag factor
and gives the lowest fuel burn. Of course that is your call. I just make suggestions :)

I am glad that more people are starting to use Rhino. It enhances our ability to share
ideas.

Paul Lamar

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