You know, all that finger pointing at VW is a bit rich comming from a
part of the world where people drive to the next shop in a 10
cylinder pickup truck. Immagine how many VWs you need for the same
amount of pollution.

Lutz Strobel

What has that got to do with breaking the law? Diesel exhaust is
carcinogenic. VW is trying to give us all lung cancer.

A diesel truck in California  has stringent smog rules. It cost
$15,000 to bring a truck into EPA compliance along with gallons of
pig piss :-)

If the Europeans did not tax the hell out of gasoline and diesel
fuel had the same tax rate as gasoline in Europe there would be no
carcinogenic  diesel cars in Europe. See the attached pdf. Diesels
cars are too expensive to bring into compliance.

Tourist are taking the chance of being killed by a Muslim or
contracting lung cancer in Europe :)

Paul Lamar


The pig piss is not a fuel additive. Because of its high content of urea
(I suppose that is how or why urine kind of got its name) it is a good
source for raw product to produce the main component in DEF exhaust
treatment fluid for emissions. It is injected into the exhaust of diesel
engines to react with the NOx to break it down.

The pig farrowing operations have for years collected the urine in the
barns and saving it in tanks. It could then be treated or sprayed on
fields. Now they have a sellable byproduct. Yuch!

West of Calgary are some towns in big and old ranching areas.
Bragg Creek, Priddis and Millarville had a problem a few years ago
with fecal material/bacteria in water wells. There are a lot of horse
ranches around the area. Wealthy oil executives and their wives get
into this.

Land in the area is unbelievably expensive. You also can
not go anywhere without seeing cows around. Ian Tyson farms just
south outside Longview. Millarville has a really neat church that is over
100 years old. It is made of vertical logs. Just in case anyone comes up
touring.

Another must do is the Rocky Mountaineer train through the
Canadian Rocky Mountains. I am not involved with the company but
take a look.  www.rockymountaineer.com

Dale Davies



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