Subject: Charge cooled OMC engines
From: paul lamar
Date: 6/23/2016, 12:24 AM
To: A10-Me-Earthlink


         It occurred to me if you pump enough oil into the rotor roller
         bearing it will cool it. Normally a roller bearing requires very
         little oil and that is why they are used in charge cooled engines.
         The trouble is there is not enough oil flow to cool it at high power
         levels mixing small amounts of oil with the fuel.

         The engine will also need a scavenge pump to get the hot oil out and
         through a oil cooler and back into an oil tank.

         On the OMC all that is needed is one small hole in the back side of
         the eccentric lobe to feed high pressure cooling oil into the rotor
         roller bearing. High pressure cooling oil is fed into the eccentric
         shaft from one end or the other.

         There will also be a hole in the case just beyond one or both of the
         main bearings to suck the excess cooling oil back out. Some the of
         the fuel mixture will be sucked out as well but the fuel will go to
         the bottom of the oil tank and can be recovered.

         If the intake plumbing is changed so no mixture goes into the main
         bearings and through the rotor then no fuel will be sucked out with
         the cooling oil. In other words just a simple p-port is all that is
         required. In fact there will then be no mixture in the center of the
         engine at all.

         Here is a scavenge pump on ebay for $219. One section can be used as
         the pressure pump.

         This is A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT for charge cooled engine including the
         AIXRO if it works.


         Paul Lamar



         Paul, and Group, Roller,  needle, and ball bearings have a
         requirement for light lubrication. Rollers especially. If over
         lubricated the rollers can hydroplane, or skip. The problem is when
         they touch back down. Think of a plane landing and how the tires
         often chirp as they match speed. The same thing can happen to a
         roller bearing with catastrophic results. The steel can weld together
         or chip causing bearing failure

         Bill Jepson.

       How does load and clearance factor in?

       The load on the rotor roller  bearing is quite complex due to centrifugal force on the rollers varying as they make their way around the center of the e-shaft.

       It's a wonder they work at all.  I think it is still worth a try.

       Paul Lamar


       Hi Paul,
           How much was that guy wanting for one of those snowmobile rotary engines, do you know ?
           Cheers Chris.

       I forgot but he is on here so he will let us know.

       Paul Lamar

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Paul and group, while I truly like the idea of there being a number of small rotary engines available, I must repeat the caution about needle bearings. Flooding those could cause skating and spall. To answer Paul's question higher load would be helpful here as it would keep the film thin which should keep the bearings rotating. There are too many other variables to be certain about how clearance would effect the bearings. While at Kawasaki I wasn't responsible for engine design but I was able to talk to those who were. If you see one of the connecting rods for two strokes they used roller bearings. They were slotted on the big end. It is not to let oil in as most think, it is to let it out! I did not believe it when I was first told. It is counter intuitive. If converting the charge cooled engines it would pay to do more research on this.
Bill Jepson

I don't think they rotate now all of the time anyway :-)
The load various widely with each revolution due to inertia forces.
It is not a simple shaft rotating around a fixed  center.
I'll bet that is where the research was done you speak of :-)

I have SAE 730119 Titled Outboard Marine Corps Production
Rotary Combustion Snowmobile Engine.

They did mention bearing loads. It was not oil cooled because
it was more expensive. They probably saved a $100. They also
said it was less sensitive to exhaust back pressure than a 2 cycle
piston engine. It is a very interesting paper and I will scan it
soon and upload it. This was before synthetic oil so some what
more continuous power can be had as the rotor bearing temperature
is the limiting factor. Most oils break down at 250 F Mobile 1 keeps
going up to 500 F. Parts of the rotor are running at 691 F at 5500
RPM and WOT.

Paul Lamar

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