We had the waste gate controller disconnected from the manifold
pressure
   in the Motec software.

   This Motec stuff is so complicated and there is no good book
   on it. There is a real NEED!!!!!!! FOR A MOTEC BOOK.

   I am kind of surprised. I guess they wanted to make sure you hire
   one of their $75 an hour dealers.


   This is a 68 inch prop 50 pitch so it went to 6000 static at 55
inches of Hg

   We are really getting there now.

   More data shortly with the big prop.

   Imagine the 1.25 open hole is still in the exhaust manifold.

   The noise is amazingly painful.  Even with a turbo charger.
   Even with ear muffs. You have to press the ear muffs to your head
   and it still HURTS!!!!!!.

   No wonder my hearing is shot :-)

   Paul Lamar


   Congrats TTC Team, glad your moving down the home stretch...
   George Curtis

   Here is the big prop data. We are seeing 36 inches of HG at 40%
throttle.
   We need to run this test configuration  over at 100% throttle.

   What is amazing is the water cooling system. The engine is barely
getting
   over body temperature :-) I am beginning  to think I over designed it.
   This is the "hot" water out of the block. We may not need the spray
bar.

   Dan,
   The smoke is coming from an oil leak on the turbo not in the turbo.
   There are two nyloc nuts holding the oil feed fitting to
   the top of the turbo shaft housing. Pete found one very loose.
   All metal lock nuts of course :-)

   Paul Lamar

   Guys,
   If you are looking for something simpler than the MoTeC, (which is
a great ems but complicated), I would suggest looking at SDSEFI.COM
<http://SDSEFI.COM> <http://SDSEFI.COM> <http://SDSEFI.COM>. Simple
Digital Systems has some straightforward ems systems that work. And he
speaks airplane. He did the EMS that was used on the Sport Class winning
Questar Venture at Reno a couple years ago. Met Ross the owner there and
he is a practical guy. The results speak for themselves. His stuff is
also about half that of the MoTeC. Ross says more than half of his
business these days is for experimental aircraft. No knock on the MoTeC,
just that there are other alternatives.

   Bill Jepson

   I want something  simple to program and in the public domain.
   Mega Squirt went off the deep end when they converted to C.
   One of the hardest languages to program. Assembly language is
   easier.

   The answer is BASIC .

   Anybody can learn to program in BASIC. Recent  Maximite versions
   are optimized for machine control.

   It is English and not @$%^&*(){} [] hieroglyphics

   C was invented in the late 60's and early 70's to work with
teletype machines.

   One could use their cell phone and voice recognition to program in
BASIC.



   Paul Lamar

   Paul that's fine if you are computer literate. Many folks are not.
If someone wants a simplified engine management system it doesn't
immediately follow that they want to work on something at the board
level. I use SolidWorks every day, but I have no desire to change the code.

   The SDSEFI system is simple easy to program using a stand alone
box. You don't even need to have a computer. On the other hand they can
equip your ems with 8 channel data logging if you want that ties into
your laptop. I am impressed with the level of sophistication you guys
have built into the TTC engine. But if you are confused by it, (the
MoTeC),  put yourself in the eyes of a non computer geek. The decent
mechanic on the street will be a complete non-starter. I was the VP of
EAA Chapter 663 in Livermore CA.

   Probably a third of our members worked at Laurence Livermore Labs.
We got to a point where someone stood up one day and honestly asked, "Is
this an EAA Chapter or a computer club? Cos I'm working on an airplane".

   The point is when you are as tightly focused as you can be you can
forget that most folks are just not that capable. Some are, and you will
play off each other, often to the benefit of all the rest of us. Most
people would like to be able to buy some components and assemble them.
The need for a good gear reduction is a perfect example. We know how to
do it but few are up to the design and development of one.

   Bill Jepson

   Some do and some don't. The vast majority do not cover aircraft use.
   Nor do they have an engine EFIS.

   One could learn BASIC in five minutes. A lot easier than a smart
phone :-)

   When you have a bunch of people looking at the source great things
happen.
   It is also real easy to share mixture maps over the Internet.
   Mixture maps are shared as simple text files

   It is also real easy to tune it on any PC anywhere in the world.
Not all after market
   stuff has that option including Motec.


   Millions of programmer around the world look at Linux source code
every day.

   That is why it is used by Apple and Android.

   I seriously don't think I could run this news letter on Windows.

   BTW I don't want to just hear about these EFI things. If you want me to
   look at it send me all the documentation in pdf form or the web
site address
   where I can download it.. There are tons of docs on the Motec web site.

   Paul Lamar



   Paul, I don't work for SDSEFI. I only brought it up because one of
the newsletter recipients asked if there was a different one available.
The address is www.sdsefi.com <http://Www.sdsefi.com> I also know that
the principal guy there isn't anti-aircraft like many.

   I like the MoTeC, but while I can work the maps and use the
software and hardware I will be a tool user in the end. I am most
interested in the MoTeC because they can do split firing on the plugs.

   I understand the fact that we have a lot of folks that understand
code. I grew up in San Jose CA. I currently work on equipment to make
ICs. But the most unusual computer stuff I have done is to load Linux
(Red Hat) for a friend. I don't run it myself because I can't run
SolidWorks on it. They really have become microserfs. Sad really.

   Boy are you right about exhaust noise! I pitted with a guy at
Laguna Seca.  He was running a RX-2 in the unmuffled days. He had the
Mazda Speed Megaphone exhaust that exited under the passenger door.. It
was so loud that I wore the foamie ear plugs under my ear muffs, and it
still hurt if you were close to it!

   Bill Jepson

I think Bill speaks for a large contingent of us out here who are
forever hanger flyers and look enviously at not only those owning their
own aircraft, but...  those using the rotary engine. The TTC and other
projects allow us to come along for the ride if you will, but..  I will
admit, Bill’s comments I thought were/are representative of many who
will never get close to reinventing any kind of software wheel as it
pertains to operating the rotary engine.


Back in the day when I had built my rotary for an aircraft, Tracy’s
system was one of few committed to and flying in a rotary powered
aircraft.  It would seem his retirement perhaps left a void of sorts in
the movement and to the point where I sense some ill will to his
controller’s and or reduction units. I had them both and felt them to be
plug and play for the most part.  To me I felt that was what Bill was
addressing in his comments.

My computer savvy is opening your newsletter and if you are reading this
reply...  I guess I was able to send it. :)    I don’t have a smart
phone and frankly don’t care to be umbilically attached to one, so..
Bill’s comments certainly hit home for many (most) of us who are
dinosaurs to all the computer technologies. Love seeing the progress of
the TTC, just...   admitting that the computer related stuff goes way
past any of my comprehension.

bruce buksyk

How long did it take you to tune Tracy's system and what was the
experience like?

Paul Lamar


Hi Paul,

Truth..  didn't get that far.  :)   I ran the rotary roughly 15+ hrs.
with a
side draft Weber set up. Was switching over to fuel injection (?) more for
some leaning issues then and carb heat related plumbing.  Had the stock
system (Mazda fuel injection) sitting in a box and was in the process of
switching, then..

I've never done much since loosing it all in a fire.
Guess your question makes me curious as I know through your newsletter it
would sound like the "tuning" was a caveot in Tracy's system. Guess his
controller for me fired the plugs and that was it.! (which I was pleased
with)  In retrospect, hearing some of what some might be up against with
EFI...

I should probably find that Weber set-up and not have tried to fix
what wasn't broke.!!   It ran great that way..    So,  to answer your
question, the tuning was not something I ever had to mess with.    I just
hit the key, and...   it ran.   :)

bruce buksyk

Precisely.

Unless you have tried to tune an EFI  system after you flew it you
cannot understand why you need self documenting Maximite BASIC source :-)

All these people that say they don't want it need to get a little more
education or experience with available EFI systems.

BTW I bugged Tracy for years asking him for a PC based tuning system.
Also for EGT or O2 sensor automatic tuning.

Paul Lamar


Yep,  understood, well...  not really.  :)   Looking at what questions are
being asked about this Motec stuff..??  Wow..!    I'll default again to Bill
and declare my being clueless..?  As to Tracy's and your asking it to have
been PC based (?)  Not sure what or how his tuned to know the difference.
Truly (and by admission) I would obviously need more education and agree
that would be true for anyone going to dabble with EFI.   Anyone out there
(other than Tracy) that flew his stuff..??  As you said..  it seems even
with your incredible PC skills, even the Motec path is and continues to be a
challenge.  Look forward as I'm sure all of us looking on are... that you
will find success with the TTC engine.

bruce buksyk

The trouble with a plug and play EFI is no two installations are identical
You will always need to tune the EFI  IN THE AIR so far!!!!

Engines, prop diameters and prop pitch are all different. That is why
they call them "experimental". Perhaps it is possible to input prop diameter
and pitch data in but no two manufactures of props are the same in terms of twist
and planform.

The Motec software is not self documenting unlike Maximite BASIC.

Some of the problem we are having with the Motec would be solved long a ago
if it was written in self documenting Maximite BASIC. I am looking for some one
to work with to make a Maximite EFI system.

Paul Lamar

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