Subject: Wing-Ribs
From: paul lamar
Date: 9/17/2016, 9:01 AM
To: A10-Me-Earthlink


 Paul
 
 For those willing to build with epoxy, I think, the best would be to
 purchase directly made sheets to be glued on rib
 
 Not the cheapest way, but by far the quickest giving a superb
 result.
 
 https://www.rockwestcomposites.com/plates-panels-angles/carbon-fiber-plate/carbon-fiber-fabric-plate/plate-carbon-fiber-qiso-tri-axial-gloss-matte-48-x-120-x-0-050-inch-thick-options
 
pascal Virlouvet
 
 
 Thanks Pascal
 
 I have the wing rib problem decided. This is a Teflon mold .75
 inches thick. The procedure is wet out the fabric and place it over
 the center piece hole. Press the rib form into the center mold. the
 flanges will be automatically formed. Put it in an oven set to 200
 F. Let cure.
 
 Teflon is good to 500 F.
 
 Each rib will be precisely the right size. Cut a hole for the spar
 and use  sort pieces of carbon fiber angle to bond and pop rivet the
 rib to the side of the spar.
 
 This will be much faster then making each ribs out of foam and
 covering it by hand  with fabric glass or carbon.
 
 Patent applied for :-)
 
 Paul Lamar
 
 
 Very nice. It seems feasible to do the spar locator hole the same way
 at the same time. Cut an X in the hole and put plug in.
 
 Michael Nash
 
 A little problem with that. The dimensions of the spar will vary due
 to load on it. Top and bottom will have varying layers of uni.
 
 A list of spar hole dimensions should be mad for all the rib
 locations.
 
 Here is a  stress diagram for a typical wing load more or less.
 
 Paul Lamar
 
 
 Paul the point of the built up spar is you can vary the ply schedule
 to get the strength you want over the spar with the same outside
 diameter or even easier with the box spar. Then all your rib holes
 can be the same size for easy molding
 
 Bill Jepson
 
 Yes all the ribs are the same out side dimensions.
 
 If made on a SIMPLE square tube male mold the thickness of the caps
 would step down starting at the root rib. You can start with an off
 the shelf cured square or rectangular carbon tube.
 
 If all the holes in the ribs are the same size the spar then must be
 made in a female box mold.
 
 Lets call it a square tube female mold. How do I lay up inside a 20
 foot long square tube? Not possible of course. Or at least extremely
 difficult.
 
 OK say I made a rectangular male mold that was tapered in height. The
 small vertical dimension was near the root rib where the caps are
 thickest.
 
 Could be carved out of 20 ft long  blue foam I guess. Could also be
 made out of four ten foot long steel or aluminum bent up tapered
 channels and welded up.
 
 Kind of tricky getting the right taper. Probably calculate  at the
 proper number of ply schedules  and then adjust according to needed
 height.
 
 The next problem is cutting the square holes in the rib plies before
 saturating and molding. That is not practical. Particularly in
 carbon.
 
 Plan B. Makes two part ribs. One front one rear twice the rib lay up
 time. That will also work.
 
 Nay.
 
 I would rather cut different size holes in the cured ribs :-)
 
 Lots of options.
 
 BTW the cost of solid Teflon is out of sight.
 
 Garbage bag material can be used as a mold separator with a plywood
 mold. The same stuff you use to saturate the fabric. Add a couple
 more layers before you put in the plywood mold. Room temperature or
 150 F max in oven cure. Otherwise the garbage bag might melt :-) .
 The actual plan form I intend to use is that of a C182. The 2/3 span
 center section is straight to accommodate the fowler flaps and the
 outer panels with the ailerons are tapered so those ribs are not all
 the same size. I am doing that for the known excellent handing and
 stall characteristics of the C182.
 
 No point in reinventing the wheel and do all that R&D on handling.
 
 Paul Lamar
 
 Perhaps it's cost effective to waterjet cut the main spar holes for
 the ribs at varying sizes according to the planned layup schedule, as
 well as the wiring conduit, flapper valve cutouts (fuel bay inner
 ribs), breather holes etc
 
 Alex Molteno
 
 Excellent idea Alex.
 
 Paul Lamar
 

    Here is a clip of a aerobatic carbonfibre build wing
     https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wUp9Yl6-QBM

    Le Roux Breytenbach in Zanzibar
 
 
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