To get the 16X displacement and they also narrowed the rotor width. They are doing that after finding out the flame propagation does not get all the way to the sides when the width is over 75mm. The 13B is 80mm.

To increase displacement from 1146cc (12A) which was 75mm wide rotors, to about 1600cc the eccentricity and radius need to be increased. E of 17.5mm and radius of 122.5mm which is up from 15 mm and 105mm. E17.5,R 122.5, W 70 gives 1560cc. E 18, R 126, W 70 gives 1660cc. Either would increase torque and help the combustion efficiency.

Dale Davies

They did not try side by side plugs. Austro engines has a wide rotor with
plugs side by side.

Paul Lamar

If you pushed the rotor width to 80mm and dual s x s plugs with your coils would give 3.6 to 3.8 liter displacement with gobs of torque. For autos run lower RIM for a bit better fuel economy.

Dale Davies

You mean wider than 80 MM right?
The current displacement is 2,6 liters.

For 3.9 it would be 120 mm wide.

Paul Lamar

No. I was referring to an engine as supposed of the 16X with more eccentricity and radius. Then with 80mm width the 13B or Renesis apex seals would work.

Dale Davies

The Mazda engine factory is estimated to cost 2 billion dollars to replicate.
It is highly specific and designed to do the job of making the 13B.

You need a VERY VERY good reason to change the geometry.

I don't think the 16B is worth it. It is far lower cost to just add more spark plugs
and a better transmission. The Mercedes Benz transmission in my Motor Home is a hydraulically
shifted manual transmission. It works extremely well and it is much much more
efficient than the old and obsolete torque converter.

Paul Lamar

Hi Paul,

very interesting; did you do a tour of the 13B plant?
Does your MB trans still have a friction clutch?
A lockup torque converter is direct drive in high gear most of the time.

Dave in Perth

Yes. Took me years to arrange that.
I think I was the first round eye to get a tour.
Dave Leonard was over there before me but they would not let
him in :-) Maybe he showed up in his US Navy commander's uniform :-)

I think so on the clutch. It works so well it is hard to tell.

True on the lock up but when actually converting torque they
are typically only 60% efficient.

Paul


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