Subject: Fwd: Re: Sachs rotary, charge cooled conversion starting
From: paul lamar
Date: 10/1/2016, 11:33 PM
To: A10-Me-Earthlink


Ok, so today I took the time to take apart a Sachs 293 38hp rotary.

I have attached some pictures. Now I saw and heard this engine running
so I was surprised when i took it apart and saw metalset epoxy used to
repair the inside surface where the apex seals run, also the entire
engine case is made from aluminum. The only steel is used in the end
plates where the bearings are.

Anyway here are some pictures to look over. Ask questions if you want
and i will do my best to answer them.

David Mikesell


Great pictures David.  Thanks.

You can fix this by tig welding some aluminum on the bad spots and
sanding them
to shape.

An oil squirter in the end house can cool the rotor with a pressure
    pump and
scavenge pump or just an oil pan instead of the scavenge pump . A hose
can run
to a container under the engine and gravity will scavenge it.

Close off the return passages for the charge cooling.

Paul Lamar

Well I was thinking of keeping the charge passages as a way for the
cooling oil to drain from the engine. Those passages line up with the
rotor cooling passages so oil will get slung out the charge passages on
each side, plus they are the way the shaft bearings were oiled, I will
use them as the oil return passages for the bearings. I will put
    the oil
injectors just past those passages in the direction of rotation. That
way the oil will get about 300 degrees of rotation to soak up heat from
the rotor before it is pushed out the charge passages.

My goal is not only to oil cool the rotor, with synthetic oil being
injected on to it, but to water cool the engine also. I am sure the
block is cast from A356 aluminum like most light weight engine
    blocks. I
can get the dimensions from this one and design a new body with a bit
larger outer dimension to allow for water cooling. And new end plates
too for water cooling.

I am going with 6061T6 and use my cnc mill to make the new parts.
    6061T6
is pretty close to A356 as far as temperature limits and strength.
    I can
also get it coated with Niksal or another type of high strength and
    high
temp coating. I think the first ones will be bare just for testing the
set up to see if it works.

David Mikesell

You don't need them. The oil will find its way out through the way it
came in.  That is exactly the way the Mazda works.

Where are you David? Tell me by private email if you wish?


Paul Lamar

San Jose, CA. Not far from Simon's shop, about a mile from my house.
My shop is near San Juan Bautista, right off hwy 101

How does the oil leave the block in the Mazda rotaries?

David Mikesell

It drains back through the center housing.
Here are some  cut aways.


Paul Lamar

    What is the banana effect? I saw it the pointer it in one of the pictures.

    David Mikesell

    That is a theory that the hot side of the engine would expand more
    than the cool side and looking down from the top the engine would
    have a banana shape.

    The serial cooling (AKA axial flow) was supposed to mitigate this but no
    evidences of this happening  was ever detected. Probably because the
    steel tension bolts on the hot side did not expand enough to detect.


Unfortunately the rear rotor runs hotter than the front rotor due
    to serial cooling. NSU used parallel cooling more of less. Both
    rotors ran at the same temperature. All serious liquid cooled engine
    have parallel cooling. No car engines!!! Car engines are all serial.

    Max Bentele designed this when he was working for Curtice Wright.
    Mazda copied it unfortunately.

    "Max Bentele (January 15, 1909 - May 19, 2006) was a German born pioneer
    in the field of jet aircraft turbines and mechanical engineering. His
    contributions to the development of the Wankel engine  earned him the
    title, "Father of the Wankel Engine in the United States"."

    Cylinder heads have the same problem. One side is hot and
    the other side is cool. No one notices the banana effect.


    Paul Lamar


    Paul,
    I have my first of 3 OMC 45 hp engines apart - This one was seized and
    damaged the outer housing - Sort of a learning experience - In the back of
    what passes for my mind I'm thinking about using my CNC equipment to make
    new parts including the housing - Would be interested in communicating with

    David Mikesell, off the list if possible, to swap some CNC programming
    details that may not be of interest to the rest of the folks -

    Roland Friestad

    I am interested. There are several people on here that have CNC machines.
    However if you want to keep it secret that is OK.

    BTW I just re-read Max's rotary chapter in his book  and he increased
    the water velocity in
    the hot areas around the lower spark plug with small holes in
    the passages.  You can see them in this picture of a Mazda rotor housing.
    According to him that carried away the nucleate boiling air bubbles.

    Mazda used most of what CW developed and incorporated their own
    developments.

    I can't wait until some one tries oil squirter's on a charged cooled
    engine :-)
    Great things will happen as you are starting with cool oil and
    not warm oil that has already gone through  part of the engine.

    Here also is the mechanical info on glass filled Teflon.
    What would be even better for apex seals  is carbon fiber filled Teflon.

    Paul Lamar


Question for you Paul.

Now I know the Sachs rotary is all aluminum except for the rotor and e-shaft. The exhaust port and 4 inches of the exhaust duct is also aluminum.  Will a water jacket around this area keep the aluminum from getting damaged from the higher exhaust temps due to the higher horsepower?

On the Mazda engines it is a strong exhaust duct right?

David Mikesell

I don't really know. I have seen other rotaries with out the inserts.

Here are some Wankel Wankels with out the inserts. They just have
a lot of meat around the exhaust ports.

Paul Lamar

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