The trouble with any kind of wear coating on bare aluminum is there
are only a couple of molecules between you and disaster. It is extremely
sensitive to any kind of foreign particles. The only kind of tried and true,
robust and reliable wear surface for piston engines and rotary engines is a
hard steel steel liner.

Paul Lamar

Paul, earlier you said that the steel liner increased thermal
efficiency, would putting a 2 or 3 times thicker liner in, make a significant
difference?

Dave James

I think it would as heat transfer is a function of the distance it must
travel. Everything I have learned on this subject in regard to the rotary
has to do with keeping  the oil working between the apex seal and the wear
surface. That is what the cooling system is required to do.

In that case just using synthetic oil should cut the cooling
requirements. I discussed this with the Mazda factory several times and their
attitude was we did not try Mobil One  so it is not endorsed one way or the other.
However the large Japanese oil company Idemitsu sells synthetic oil
for the Mazda. I use it in my RX8.

So far I have not seen a tech paper on this subject where synthetic
oil was tried back to back. It should be investigated with both iron and
silicon nitride seals. The question is: What temperature can the wear
surface be and still work?

Perhaps Frank Herfert can help in regard to a tech paper on this
subject.
Here is some info from Rotary Engine.

This is relevant to piston engines as well.

Paul Lamar

This is an interesting chart from  Heinz Heisler book
Advanced Engine Technology. You can see how the oil film would cool
the apex seal. Organic oils break down around 250 F so the OMC was designed
around that factor. Synthetic  oils help a lot.

The apex seal takes the brunt of the heat as it sweeps all the hot gas
stagnant film in front of it. The steel wall temperature is quite
low.  My guess is 300 F.

Silicon Nitride seals are a major advance and should be used in all
rotary aircraft engines as they will tolerate 1000 F.


Paul Lamar

Paul,

Mazda went trough hell and high water to solve the chatter problem.
Since then 2.5 million steel lined chrome plated rotary engines have
been sold.  All others have failed.

Henry Ford said : "Show me a pioneer in technology and
I will show you candidate for bankruptcy" . Or words to that effect.
I agree with Henry :-)

If it were me I would copy Mazda with regard to the wear surface.

Paul Lamar


Nice Paul, good info on the apex seals.

The chrome plating of the rotor housing is the same technique used for Chrome plated piston cylinders?

David Mikesell

Yes. I would think any chrome shop could do it. I think they reverse the current for a short
while after it is done to get a bit of porosity on the chrome layer to enhance oil wetting.
This would be far less expensive than any other kind of effective coating on aluminum.
2.5 million rotary engines prove it works.

I think they can mask off the surfaces that do not need to be chromed.

My name for the all steel  new design is "Unsymmetrical Rotary" Copyright Paul Lamar 2016

I will scale it up to Mazda size and determine the weight.
I'll bet it is not much more than a stock Mazda rotor housing.
I was right! The stock Mazda ( mostly aluminum) rotor housing weighs 6.5 pounds.
The Unsymet all steel water cooled weighs 7 pounds. Plus or minus a few ounces.

It is all that useless junk on the cold side of the Mazda rotor housings.

The air cooled Mazda version would be about the same weight.

The way to make the aluminum heat sink fins is gang slitting saws. This is the way
P&W and CW did it in the old days on radial engine cylinders.

The way to get rid of most of the material in the big block of steel is drill
a trochoide pattern roughly in the center. Then band saw it out. That is the way
the Wright brothers built their first crank shaft. They drilled a big block of steel
then they sawed it to rough shape.

Anybody for an air cooled one rotor Mazda size  rotary engine weighing
70 pounds and  putting out 130 HP ?

E-shaft and rotor the same Mazda parts.

Of course :-)

Paul Lamar


Anybody for an air cooled one rotor Mazda size  rotary engine weighing
70 pounds and  putting out 130 HP ?

Paul Lamar

For sure, can the original rotor housing be modified to attach to "new design" side housings

Steve Carlisle

Maybe but I don't think so.

Here is what it looks like with the off the shelf heat exchangers. These are far lower
cost than if you made them your self. They are extrusions and the fin thickness and
spacing is far far better than the OMC cooling fins.

Green is steel and blue is aluminum.

The end p[late are chrome plated to reflect the heat which is an improvement
over the Mazda.


Paul Lamar


Paul, can the side housings be designed to captivate the heat sink, and
rest on the rotor housing ?

Steve CCarlisle


I am not sure I understand what you are porpoising. The heat sinks must be held in
firm contact with the steel rotor housing for good heat transfer. I intend bolting
them in place with 10-32 screws.

Paul Lamar

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