Subject: Fuel injectors
From: paul lamar
Date: 12/12/2016, 11:22 PM
To: A10-Me-Earthlink


    Do not use these fuel injectors. We had one blow apart today on the
    TTC project.  There is a short section of .032 thick  aluminum
    between you and a flaming death.

    We are also still fighting the yellow snot built up in the aluminum
    fuel lines as the result of burning Methanol. The boss will not re
    plumb the fuel system in SS or rubber. He is paying the price of
    ignoring that.

    It is now plugging the injectors and we are on our third set. The
    company that sold us our second set charged $800 for four.

    You can buy the basic Bosch injector for $50  with out the adapter
    on ebay. You may have to re-machine the fuel rail if you use the
    basic Bosch injector as the upper O ring may be larger. The basic
    Bosch 2000  injectors with out the adapters are just plain great.

    As long as they are not plugged :-)

    We are talking about just 4 injectors controlling 650 HP on  a turbo
    two rotor! Each injector will flow up to 320 pounds of fuel per
    hour.

    I built an injector tester using six D cell batteries, a push button
    and a special injector holder to take the 150 psi injector pressure.

    Paul Lamar


    The yellow snot is a seal or gasket or fuel cell foam dissolving in
    the fuel. Why not racing fuel or avgas?.... . Lynn E. Hanover

    Not in our case. Get a jar of Methanol and put a strip of non
    anodized  aluminum in it. Within hours you will see the yellow snot.

    Menthanol cools the intake system air. At our 650 HP level even that
    is not enough so we use water injection to keep the intake air below
    the 150 F pre-ignition limit. Other wise it would be over 200 F.


    Paul Lamar



    What PSI are you running the fuel at for TTC ?

    The standard yellow RX8 injectors take an 11mm drill bit.
    http://www.rossmachineracing.com/injectortool11mm.html <http://www.rossmachineracing.com/injectortool11mm.html> <

    They also sell the 14mm drill bit (Bosch)

    - Matt Boiteau

    150 PSI. I am not allowed to change the TTC fuel plumbing. Just fix
    it :-)

    Here is a system I designed and built.

    Paul Lamar


    I would say the repair is to replace whatever is giving the problem.
    If you can not do that, it is time to walk away. If the engine quits
    and the aircraft crashes, you could be held responsible.

    Dale Davies

    So true.

    This morning he gave permission to redesign the injector mounting.

    Paul Lamar

    Paul Are the tanks aluminum also? Could be another source of the
    yellow snot corrosion product Bill

    Believe or not they are fiberglass. I am not sure which epoxy resin
    was used, They tested it with Methanol or they told me they did.


    Paul Lamar



    Vinylester or epoxy are methanol resistant, polyester resin is not.
    Methanol breaks down polyester resin. Look up what methanol did to
    fiberglass built in boat fuel tanks. Bad stuff. My wheeler tanks are
    integral to the wet wings, but the resin is vinylester. And I epoxy
    coated it for additional insurance.

    Kevin Alderman

    I wonder what resin was used in Sandy McNabb's Glass Goose that had
    the wings delaminate !

    Steve Carlisle

   Sandy (and I) used the Adtec epoxy (CR4 I think) for structure and the integral wing tanks get Jeffco tank sealer.  Most, but not all epoxies are alcohol resistant.  Unfortunately the standard Adtech epoxy is not.

   I have had fuel tank samples from the Glass Goose construction soaking in both diesel and avgas for over 10 years with no apparent ill effects.

   Scott Gettings

Scott, interesting, as Sandy told me had sourced a second wing set, at considerable cost, to replace those
that failed when he installed his fuel for testing. He was expecting to do that project this winter. What type
of fuel would cause the wing joints to fail?

Steve Carlisle



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