Subject: Tailwinds with Mazdas
From: paul lamar
Date: 1/27/2017, 11:33 AM
To: A10-Me-Earthlink



    Hey Rotary guys, hi Paul,

    Another surveying thread here.. sorry about all the questions lol

    How many W8... not particularly W10... Tailwinds have been converted
    to rotary successfully? I've seen a couple online at least but
    there's not much more info as far as I'm able to dig.


    A while ago, when I was a newly minted taildragger pilot, I
    purchased an old W8 and it's been sitting around not flying as much
    as it could be. I'm planning on converting it to a mazda once I get
    more info. I have a lycoming in it now and I have no idea what to do
    with the mounts...anything FWF at all.

    I'm heading to university this fall and I'm in no hurry to start the
    project but it would be nice to start the planning so I can yank the
    piston and sell it--I won't be flying much in school. It would be
    nice to work on it on the weekends eventually.

    Kim Kilk

    Over the years we have had a lot of interest in Tail Wind I don't
    recall anyone flying one yet.

    Unless you can tig weld I highly recommend our universal motor mount.
    See the attached pdf.

    Don't believe everything those knee jerk liberal professors tell you
    :-) They are in the commie  propaganda business :-) None of them
    have ever worked for a living  at a real job.

    Paul Lamar



    Okay, cool, thanks for the pics, it doesn't look too bad to do at
    all. I don't have the best tig welding skills around so I'll go with
    the universal mount. It looks very well designed! Maybe some
    tailwind guys will chime in eventually... or not.

    I think I saw a site selling custom made cowlings for rotary
    installations, I guess I could get them to make me one to avoid
    doing all of that composite work myself. If not or if they charge too
    much, then oh well. I'll do it myself.


    By the way, haha.. don't worry..I'll take those "commies" with a
    grain or two of salt. I'm just going for that sheepskin at the end
    of the 4 years... and to have an excuse to play with all their
    equipment (not that they'll probably let me... they won't). That's
    why I took gap years! I did it to gain and re-enforce the solid
    footing of what I stand for as a person and an engineer... I'm not
    all soft and malleable like the fresh out of high school kids. :-)

    Kim Klik

    The rotary is real small. If the Intake system is designed right it
    will probably fit the stock cowling.

    One of the main Tail Wind guys may be dead. Haven't heard from him
    in years. He ran a Tail Wind news letter.  In twenty years a lot
    happens. He did all our motor mounts. He built this adjustable mm
    welding jig. When he retired I invented the universal mount to
    compensate and eliminate the need for this elaborate jig. He also
    static tested the motor plate idea.

    I have lost 3 very good friends. In some cases younger than me.

    Obama nearly killed home built experimental aircraft because of the
    crappy economy. Fortunately it is picking up again already under
    Trump.

    Paul Lamar


    I have my own objections to the education system starting with the
    "no failure retard thinking"! A friend once said when a farmer goes
    to cut hay, he does not pick through the swath to get the sticks out.
    When he goes to feed the cows he does not pick through the bale to
    get the sticks out. He trusts the cows to eat the hay and spit the
    sticks out. When it comes to university you need to spit the "commie
    crap" out and just do what you need to to get the paper for the
    office wall.

    Dale Davies

    Rhino 3D looks awesome.. I want to learn it. Those 3Ds give me good
    hope that I'll have no problem sticking a rotary in the cowl.. easy
    peasy. Thanks for sharing!

    Hey by the way, Dale Davies, I like what you wrote about the cows and
    sticks. It was very well put. :-) I'll remember that when suffering
    through those gen eds especially.

    Kim Klik


    I know I'm a bit late in commenting to this thread but you should
    know that Solid Works is free to EAA members:

http://www.eaa.org/en/eaa/eaa-membership/eaa-member-benefits/solidworks-resource-center <http://www.eaa.org/en/eaa/eaa-membership/eaa-member-benefits/solidworks-resource-center>



   Mark LaPierre

    I did not know that. That is amazing. They usually rent it to you
    for a $1000 a year.

    However it has a non intuitive user interface with a very steep
    learning curve.

    I have a college teacher friend that teaches solid works and rhino.
    He tells me the Rhino students start having fun in 10 minutes :-)

    On top of that Rhino does a better job on compound surfaces.

    Paul Lamar

    Hi Paul, You mentioned that CFD would be handy. You may already be
    aware of this but there is now a Rhino CFD Plug In  available from (
    cham.co.uk <http://cham.co.uk> <http://cham.co.uk <http://cham.co.uk). It was free till
    Jan 2017, I do not know what the cost is now, if any,  or if it is
    any use to you, etc. May be worth a look. Considering all the good
    publicity that you give Rhino and your considerable experience they
    should give you a copy to try.

    Regards Steve Burgess AU.

    I tried that link and it said "server not found". They may be only in
    the UK.

    It is really a good idea linking CFD to a 3D drawing program as then
    all the meshing can be done automatically

    Thanks for bringing that up. A may buy it in the future.

    Maybe I'll call them after 1 PM.

    Paul Lamar


   Further to RhinoCFD. You can download the installation file at http://www.food4rhino.com/app/rhinocfd <http://www.food4rhino.com/app/rhinocfd>. I have dowloaded these files but they will not install because I am running Rhino for Mac. I did not think they would install but had a go anyway. Food4rhino is supported by McNeal so is safe.

   Regard
   Stephen Burgess AU.

Wow though, I am an EAA member and I didn't know SW was free. Thanks for letting us know. Rhino does look a lot more intuitive to use though. Sorry I'm a bit late to respond..lots of stuff going on lately.

Regards,
Kim Klik

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