Subject: D 1 C
From: paul lamar
Date: 3/12/2017, 2:38 PM
To: A10-Me-Earthlink




Does anybody have a parts list with numbers for the gearbox?

Kevin Alderman



Tracy's gear box? I can give you part numbers on the planetaries.
His prop shaft and flange was based on a modified  GM truck rear axle and bearing.

The rest of the parts are custom made.

The rear planet is  Slauson Transmission Parts E4D 40. Front planet is E4D 30 Sun Gear E4D 28 Rear ring gear E4D 74. Front Ring gear E4D 61.

Paul Lamar

Paul, if memory serves, the only thing that holds the axle bearing to the axle was a light press fit on the axle, and then a press fit lock ring. Is that right, NAW, could not be just that, right?

Steve Carlisle

It is not a light press fit. It was done with a 20 ton press.
That takes all of the prop thrust. That also holds the wheel in and the axle on in the truck.


Paul Lamar

Paul, on this type of axle, I believe the bearing is held in the diff housing by a bearing retainer plate, usually attached with 4 bolts. The axle is held into the side gear with a heavy clip , which fits into a groove at the start of the axle. On the redrive in question, it seems the output propeller shaft, with propellor is only held in with the proper interference fit.
It seems to work , so far !

Steve Carlisle

No. Tracy holds it in with a retainer plate that is screwed to the housings with a bunch of 10-32 screws. These screws take all thrust loads. See the attached jpg.

BTW I finally figured out why Tracy was using that O-ring that Scott mention.
My guess is he had a bunch of cases machined for the 2.12:1  wherein the ring gear rotated.  Those cases were bored to a large enough inner diameter for the ring gear to rotate.

Tracy finally realized that 2.12:1 was not going to cut it with a rotary. The tip speed on the prop was limiting the RPM and the HP. We talked a lot about that on the newsletter and I have all those old messages. He had to lock the ring gear and take power out of the planet holder instead.


So he used the same front planet
carrier because he had them in stock and used that powdered metal bulkhead to keep the ring gear stationary in the now  over sized case . The ring gear is a sloppy fit on the bulkhead so he needed a way to damp that out. It probably rattled when he ran the 2.85:1 for the first time. No problem for the operation because planetares are self aligning. Hence the O-ring.

My fix for the bulkhead is to coat the ring gear with RTV. In theory that alone would prevent the ring gear from rotating as the adhesive strength is 3,000 pounds per square inch, The half inch extended point set screws are belt and suspenders and the RTV does the damping.

I suggest the rear planet instead as that will yield 3.12 to one gear reduction.
Much more power.

Paul Lamar


Hi Paul,
   I have a couple of reservations about using RTV to lock/dampen the ring gear in the housing. 1) how will you ensure that you get the RTV into the gap all the way round evenly ? 2) how will you know if it has cured properly right through, it will take forever. Wouldn't it be better to use Locktite retaining compound 648 or a two part glue like Araldite construction adhesive (the blue/yellow stuff). You wouldn't need set screws.
   Chris Hoskins

You can leave out. You don't really need it.

How's the run-out on your lathe?

Assuming you have a nice slip fit for the ring gear in the housing
the extended point set screws will do it all.

It is better if there is nothing in there then you can take it apart for service.

If there is some small lack of concentricity for the assemble you will notice it
when you turn it over by hand. Then if you have some you can bore the housing
a few thou over size and use the extended point set screws to adjust the
centering. I did the chuck on my lathe that way and it is down to near zero run out.

In Tracy's case there is a large gap between the ring gear OD and the housing ID.

Paul Lamar


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