Subject: Dan Duncan
From: paul lamar
Date: 4/2/2017, 6:12 PM
To: A10-Me-Earthlink


Dan Duncan had gotten up past 13,000.  He said he was balancing his
engines quite a bit tighter than the factory did it.

Dave Klingler

Consider the source :-)

The problem is not balance. It is centrifugal load on the rotor bearing.
That is why we run 150 psi oil pressure in the TTC engine.

Paul Lamar

What's the story about Dan Duncan and the doctor in Oklahoma ? Never heard about it.

Steve Carlisle

I don't have all the details but I think he was convicted of mail fraud and then
disappeared into Mexico I think. Many years ago.

Paul Lamar

Well I managed to find a 2009 Homebuiltairplanes thread relating to Dan Duncan,
  Re: Direct Drive Rotary?
 Duncan Aviation(Comanche, Okla.) many years ago listed in their brochure a direct-drive single rotor Mazda RX-7 bridge-port aircraft engine. They machined the crank to accept a new main-bearing located on the front of the engine. The main-bearing was housed in an easily-machined circular housing. Propeller-boss was attached to the front of the re-machined crank.


 Engine was rev-limited to 60hp at 4000 rpm. Engine could be fitted with a fixed-pitch prop, or cockpit-controlled variable-pitch prop( Warpdriveprops makes a carbon-fibre one, and their website has a good tip-speed calculator).Duncan photo of this single-rotor engine shows it fitted with a 2-blade in-flight adjustable prop.   WEIGHTS:
 Basic engine with oil-pump, fuel-pump, water-pump, Posa 32 mm Super-carby, ignition, engine mounts and prop-flange was 110 lbs.


To this must be added: alternator (4lbs), starter(5.5lbs), 9" x 14"engine coolant radiator(5 lbs), and 7" x 8" oil cooler(1.8lbs)
 This gives a DRY INSTALLED WEIGHT of 126.3 lbs.
 Engine-coolant( 10.4 lbs) and oil (6lbs) must be added...which brings wet-weight up to about 143 lbs..... not bad for 60hp continuous with 3.5 gph fuel-burn(regular or unleaded) and a 3000 hr TBO.
 How much static-thrust could be obtained from such an engine reving at 4000rpm?
 A McCulloch 72 HP ( 68 actual) two-stroke in a gyrocopter swinging a 48" or 50" diameter prop delivers about 260 lbs of thrust at around 4000 rpm.


Igor Bensen said that for "respectable performance" a gyro requires 1 lb of static-thrust for every 2 lbs of gross weight, so a 520 lb gross gyro looks feasible. A small 4-stroke chain-saw engine(with a hand-pull recoil-starter) could replace the heavy starter-motor, and could also pre-spin the rotors. A smaller and lighter battery and alternator could thus be used. Maybe EFI and a turbo would give more power (thrust), for little nett additional weight.   Duncan were also offering an "Aerodyne Model 2.66 VATN turbo(Variable Area Turbine Nozzle)" , which weighed 15 lbs and which would increase power and quieten exhaust noise.


Duncan also offered a single-rotor fited with a Uniroyal HTD cogbelt rated at 300hp. Reduction ratio was 3:1 and output was 120hp at 9,000rpm for 5gph, and a DRY INSTALLED WEIGHT of 165 lbs. This power output agrees with the output of a Racing Beat single-rotor bridge-ported engine which NASA tested in 1982 which produced 128hp at 9000 rpm.


 Does anyone else think a single-rotor direct-drive looks attractive as a gyro-engine?
 I can post a 3-view drawing of the engine if anyone's interested.
 Steve Carlisle



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