Hi Paul, we have had a couple of Visions built at Serpentine. One
had a Subaru engine, reg VH WRX, and flew OK, though the airframe was
a bit heavy. The other is still under construction and has 6 inches
added to the cabin height as the builder is about 6’6” tall. Rs,
Dave McCandless in Perth

Dave: You don't have contact with the builders or possible contact
details of the flyable version of the Vision.?The builders group is
not a very active and only a small group sharing there experience.
Will contact you in private for the details. Forgive me Paul for
reaching out on this group ,as to get hold of our family of builders.
Much appreciated.

Le Roux Breytenbach

The Internet  and this  newsletter never seizes to amaze me. Le Roux
and Dave are just across the Indian ocean from each other. And I am
on the exact opposite side of the globe

You guys can use the newsletter. I am sure there may be one or two
more Visions being built on here.

Paul Lamar

Hi Paul and Le Roux, Nice Depiction of the Oceans. Give me a day or
two and maybe I can get some pics. The guy who built the flyer has
passed away, but the airplane is still around. Rs,  Dave McCandless
in Perth

I have Vision plans. But I've never had the time to actually build
it.

David Mikesell San Jose, California

Are the wings hot wired foam David?

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Back in 2011 Pierre Swanepoel from S. Afica (I think) was building a
13b powered vision. Here are some 3D's and pictures

Paul: This is my firewall dimensions for the Vision Ex.After these
drawings and the new universal engine mount the following.

Can you help with new drawings for my 13B with the (universal mount)
With dry sump engine 90 degree turn(plugs up mount) Must I move the
engine mount points from the current position inwards to have the
side-rad to fit in under the cowl

Thanks Le Roux Breytenbach


The Vision is a plans build plane from the USA state IL
Pro-Composites Scott VanderVeen is the owner of the company.

pro-composites.com <http://pro-composites.com
<http://pro-composites.com

3D's by Paul Lamar.

Le Roux Breytenbach



Paul: This is my firewall dimensions for the Vision Ex.After these
drawings and the new universal engine mount the following.

Can you help with new CAD drawings for my 13B. With the (universal
mount) With dry sump engine 90 degree turn(plugs up mount) Must I
move the engine mount points from the current position inwards to
have the side-rad to fit in under the cowl ?

Le Roux Breytenbach


Why are you doing plugs up?  The oil will drain out of the rotors and
main bearings better if it is in the normal position.  I would only
do plugs up if the end plates and center housings were designed for
it.

Looking at the firewall from the front it is best to move the left
side mounting hard points top and bottom in about  2 or 3 inches.

That gives more room for the cooling radiator. It is easy to
laminate a little more wood an the back side of the firewall to
stiffen  it up in bending. That will only be necessary for the top
mount. You can also bolt in a 1/2 inch diameter steel tube running to
the joint between side skin and instrument panel if you are worried
about it.

Here are some 3D's from the Tango a very similar airplane.

Paul Lamar

----------------------------------------------------------------- Is
there a cowling available for the vision? Or do you have to do your
own cowling? I need the dimension of that before I can do a
universal mount tube lengths.

Paul Lamar


There is no cowl for the Vision you have to build your own. Le Roux


OK I will design one.

Paul Lamar

Here is one of the 3D's I'll add the dims shortly.

Do they sell Dodge Rams pick up trucks in South Africa? Dodge Ram's
are now owned by Fiat. My Dodge RAM is called a Ducata in the rest of
the world.

I ask because the rads are ideal for cooling. This rad core is 20 by
30 inches.

Paul Lamar

Here are the tube dims. The round tubes must be shortened by 2.5
inches to accommodate the rod ends. The two lower square tubes by
about 1.25 inches.

See http://www.rotaryeng.net/uni-mm.html

The lateral brace  X can be done after the side tubes are installed.

Paul Lamar
Great stuff Paul ,now i can see how the FWF package look like.
Yes the Fiat Ducata ia available in ZA will source the radiator core.
Will move the 2 hard points for the mounts inwards on the rad side.

Le Roux

Correct. 2.5 inches top and bottom.

Paul Lamar

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