Subject: definition of detonation.
From: paul lamar
Date: 9/5/2017, 10:24 PM
To: A10-Me-Earthlink



"Detonation" is the spontaneous ignition of the fuel air mixture. This
occurs after the planned ignition event and usually at a location remote
from the spark plugs. So, mixture temperature is usually to blame. So,
the use of intake air coolers and intercoolers on super charged and or
turbo charged engines. In order to reduce intake air temperatures. Also,
additional fuel my be added to help reduce charge temperature.Also,
lower compression rotors or pistons may be used.  Also ignition advance
may be pulled out as boost is going up. Flame front speed is largely a
function of cylinder pressure.
So, the higher the cylinder pressure, the faster the burn, and less
advance is needed to get best cylinder pressure near 50 degrees after
TDC. Ceramic seals hold up well to detonation. Steel seals and carbon
seals do not.

"Preignition", is an ignition event that occurs before the planned
ignition event. Unlike detonation, it often occurs at or near the spark
plugs. Usually too high a heat range (plug tip overheats and becomes a
glow plug). Running the ideal mixture for best power is very popular.
However with best power comes highest cylinder temperatures and the
least amount of cooling oil. When leaning to lean of peak operation,
move quickly through ideal and get to lean. The more powerful the
ignition system the leaner it will run without missing. Faulty
distributor cap, plug wires too close together. Primary wires not
shielded from secondary wires. Solid conductor secondary wire (Use
inductive secondary wires in most cases).

You can induce both problems at one time.

One outstanding feature of the ceramic and the carbon seals is that they
weight nothing compared to steel seals.So, they will track the chrome
well up into stupid RPM. For above stupid RPM, multiple springs can be
installed with still no chrome damage.  Also there is just a one piece
seal, so no pesky corner piece to overload one iron face. Carbon and
ceramic seals must be fitted to each housing using a diamond file. Check
with supplier for specs.
With both carbon and ceramic seals after years of racing show no wear at
all on chrome faces. Ceramic seals stay as new and carbons last about 2
years.

Lynn E. Hanover


This is a piston engine Lynn. What is the source for this definition.

I would say for an aircraft engine the extra cost of Iannetti apex seals
is essential.
For turbo charged Mazda Wankel the iron seals are marginal.
Steels seal are not to be used if you expect your engine to last.


Paul Lamar

Lynn, 

What material are you referring to citing 'carbon' for apex seals. We know ceramics, steel and cast iron. 
It could not be plain carbon. It has to be reinforced with something to prevent breakage and also wear. 

Please elaborate what you are referring to and who makes and sells carbon seals?  
I know that in Germany firms have tried to use carbon as piston seals. It did not make
it to mass production as far as I am aware of. I trust to much wear was an issue. ? 

Thank you 
Rolf Pfeiffer 




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